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sheet numbers and inserting sheets

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11-07-2013 09:28 AM

Two things about ordering the sheets.

 

1.  Inserting sheet numbers.

 

Is there any better way to create a new sheet in the middle of a set than right-clicking for a new sheet that ends up at the bottom of the list?  It's really annoying to have to go through and manually renumber each sheet so I can have a new A105 with ten sheets behind it.  At least all the callouts and flags update automatically but unless I'm missing something there really should be a provision for inserting sheets in the middle of a set that automatically renumbers the rest of the set.

 

2. Alphanumerical listing only?

 

At my office we did the site drawings as AS1-2-3, the demo drawings as AD1-2-3, and the architecturals as A1-2-3 and in that order.  Guess how Revit organizes them.  The first sheet was always an unnumbered cover sheet just called Cover so now that goes dead last.

 

There's got to be a way to control these.

 


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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-07-2013 10:44 AM in reply to: kwg06516

Coincidentally i just saw this tutorial today to index the sheets to resolve your 2nd problem.

 

for problem 1, I'd recommend you:

- plan ahead to know what schme you want to use. Often I see demo sheets to be the 100s, floorplans the 200s etc.

- for sheets start out with numbers every 10 or 20. Lie 100, 120, 140. then if you need to isnert one, you have the option to number ita 125 etc.

 

hope i understaood correctly what you wanted.

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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-07-2013 11:33 AM in reply to: kschindel

The short answer is... no.

 

My spirits were slightly elevated by the revelation of a drawing list schedule but then I realised that Revit schedules are about as functional as spreadsheets in Lotus123 on my Dad's old 286.  Less so in fact.  I forgot I would have to program Revit in order to get a reasonable ordering of sheets because even though it's 2013, drag and drop is a crutch I, who was NOT trained to be a programmer, must learn to walk without.  Then it went into the I-lost-count-of-how-many steps are involved in setting up a parameter to get ONE sheet to list before all the others while LEAVING OUT the crucial first steps of setting up the shared parameter because when I tried to follow along - surprise - there's no Sort_Order parameter.

 

I am really dissappointed in this and other aspects of this program.  It is not what the promotion lead me to believe.

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-07-2013 12:04 PM in reply to: kwg06516

sure it could be more straightforward and i hope they include that as a function in future versions. But it takes a minute to do and using parameters isn't programming. At least you can customize these functions.

 

Knowing how to use parameters you will need to know a lot.

 

I don't know if you really need to create the schedule itself to order the sheets. but every planset I've seen so far has a sheet schedule anyway. i don't see that as additional work.

 

Once you set this up, you can just reuse it for every single project.

 

 

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11-07-2013 01:57 PM in reply to: kschindel

That doesn't help me at all.  You say parameters isn't programming and maybe to you it isn't.  But at this point my appreciation for how parameters work is poorer than your grammar.  I can barely follow this set of instructions Autodesk provided and a key point in the instructions is missing.  It's expected that the user already understands this and is prepared to move to the next step.  When the video ends there are no links back to the directory where I can browse other videos.  I can only get to this page but all the links lead to what's new in 2014!

 

That is lazy support on top of lazy development.  

 

And it doesn't matter if I only have to do it once IF I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 

 


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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-07-2013 02:26 PM in reply to: kwg06516

I think you will benefit from learning how Revit works. Parameters are very important in understanding all the things you can do that regular AutoCAD can't even dream off.

 

It really is not that hard and support is very good (inc. this forum) and Google will yield tons of information if you have a common problem like this one.

 

It looks like you have an LT version, possible that has less functionality. i also see you have AutoCAD. Not sure if you use it in parallel to Revit. but my advice would be to totally abandon AutoCAD and concentrate on Revit. both function totally differently and hanging on to the old thinking only will slow down the new Revit way of thinking. i switched to Revit 2-3 years ago and never ever want to use autoCAD again. but i switched ccold turkey to Revit, no autoCAd projects in parallel.

 

I just say that since I see many consultants making the mistake to use both and then complain how difficult Revit is. it is difficult if you think in 2D and think in just lines and circles. Revit is a BIM, which is better but needs to be understood.

 

There are a few other sites that show how to resolve the very same problem, that video i linked seemed to show everything at once (inc. creating the parameter)

 

Hang in there, it will get easier.

 

 

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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-07-2013 03:03 PM in reply to: kschindel

I ask for instructions on how to make this sort_order parameter and I get plattitudes.  Does your head bend light?

 


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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-08-2013 09:21 AM in reply to: kwg06516

I think the video explains it pretty well.

 

But I came across another problem. When I print the sheet set, the sheets don't follow this order, but just order alphabetically (A-sheets, C-sheets etc.). Is there a way to make them print int he same order?

I always print to PDF, but that probably doesn't make a difference since PDF is a printer.

 

My workaround to this is to re-shuffle the sheets int eh PDF I create, which isn't a convenient or fail-safe solution.

 

Any advice?

 

 

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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-08-2013 12:15 PM in reply to: kwg06516

kwg06516 wrote:

That doesn't help me at all.  You say parameters isn't programming and maybe to you it isn't.  But at this point my appreciation for how parameters work is poorer than your grammar.  I can barely follow this set of instructions Autodesk provided and a key point in the instructions is missing.  It's expected that the user already understands this and is prepared to move to the next step.  When the video ends there are no links back to the directory where I can browse other videos.  I can only get to this page but all the links lead to what's new in 2014!

 

That is lazy support on top of lazy development.  

 

And it doesn't matter if I only have to do it once IF I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

 


The video link that was provided was one video that was part 5 of a 6 part video series showing how to work with titleblocks and sheets.  The information on how to create the shared parameter files is shown in part 3.  

 

You can see the series here:  http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=13945669 



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Re: sheet numbers and inserting sheets

11-08-2013 12:20 PM in reply to: kwg06516

I can appreciate your frustration, especially if you believe the software isn't living up to your expectations.  However, most of the posters on this site are users, just like you, who take time out of their day to come here and try to help, so please keep that in mind when posting.

 

To answer your question, see the attached images.  In the first image, you'll see an unfiltered schedule (more on that later) with the sorting parameters highlighted at the top.

 

Schedule.JPG

 

In the second image, I've shown how/where to add the sorting parameters.

 

Fields.JPG

 

In the third image, I've shown the typical properties of each of those parameters.

 

Properties.JPG

 

In the fourth image, I've shown how to sort/group the parameters to get what you want.

 

Sorting.JPG

 

In the fifth image, I've shown where to go to hide the columns (after you've established the order of the sheets).

 

Columns.JPG

 

I typically duplicate this schedule (called Drawing Index - all fields visible) and call it Drawing Index, then hide the columns I don't want to see, and drop it on the sheet.  Any time I need to adjust the sort order or add sheets, I do so via the "all fields visible" schedule so I don't accidentally forget to hide a column.

 

Regarding your other question as to whether there's a way to insert a sheet so that it comes in at a particular location, rather than defaulting to the top/bottom: no.  How would it know where to sort it until you've told it what parameters it should have?

 

Regarding the other poster's question about printing sheets in order, you can't (not directly from Revit, anyway).  I always export the entire set to dwf and reorder the sheets in Design Review, then print to a single PDF or print hard copies (since the collate function actually works in Design Review).  This has lots of added benefits, not the least of which is being able to insert dwfs from my consultants (MEP/structural) and create a single combined file without having to buy a other software.


Hope that helps.  Please let me know if there are any follow-up questions.

Ross Kirby
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