Revit and Facility Management

[Anonymous]

Here's my situation:

I have a client that we designed a large mulifunctional musuem/office building in Acad. I wanted to do it in Revit but the project was just to big for my first revit project. Especially since it involved an existing old building and 3 different additions each with its own structural system....

Anyway the project is going to receive a platnium LEED rating and I now want to create a Revit model and use it for facility management. The dream is to install sensors throughout the facilites systems and be able to have a computer display in the museum that shows ongoing data of how the systems are performing as one of the primary displays. We have solar, wind, high efficiency hvac, plumbing (water retention, reusage, roof garden) high efficiency lighting, fancy insulated concrete sandwich walls.....

I know they have monitoring systems that facility managers use to measure the production and efficiency of their buildings, and their costr. docs were created using revit,

but are they using the revit model in their life cycle process???

Any help would be greatly appreciated, or providing me with some resources to research..

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

but are they using the revit model in their life cycle process???

i doubt it.....this is when BIM will really take off.
Once we have a seemless way to take the BIM model through the design and construction stage and on into the facility management stage.....at the moment there are various BIM solutions and Facility Managemet solutions but no common full life cylce solutions or any solutions which seemlessly link the two as far as i am aware off.
I guess once Autodesk take over a facility management solution we might get close to what we are all looking for....or not

[Anonymous]

~waffle hand~ They're promising more integration between their newly
announced partner company's software (FM:Systems) and all flavors of
Revit (not just Revit Architecture like they did for FMDesktop), BUT,
tying that into a BAS is a whole different ball of wax. I'm not really
sure of any major developments in that particular area.

I think we actually use a couple of different Building Automation
Systems across our campus because it's so large. Some of the CAFM
vendors who've pitched to us have said they can tie some or all of them
into the CMMS's we've been evaluating, but, whether that could be
brought all the way back into a BIM in some clean and usable way, I have
yet to see.


Melanie Perry
***not all who wander are lost***
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bernardmadoff wrote:
> but are they using the revit model in their life cycle process???
>
> i doubt it.....this is when BIM will really take off.
> Once we have a seemless way to take the BIM model through the design and construction stage and on into the facility management stage.....at the moment there are various BIM solutions and Facility Managemet solutions but no common full life cylce solutions or any solutions which seemlessly link the two as far as i am aware off.
> I guess once Autodesk take over a facility management solution we might get close to what we are all looking for....or not

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your input.
I have been doing what research I can and am learning that a direct approach to what I want is not there yet.

Bare with me as I present a scenario and let me know if Im way off or maybe onto something and I apologize
for my Revit ignorance I promise to be be more knowledgeable in the future as I learn Revit.

(keep in mind, this client has money and is not looking for savings
but alot of show of there systems)

Could I construct the model of the existing facility and then render various views revealing different systems (i.e. HVAC)
( i see them brightly colored to show the routing throughout the ghosted or partially cut away building)
And then on a computer screen next to this have the FM monitoring software showing their graphical representation
of what the system is doing.

Im not sure if I will ever be able to have the museum attendies be able to click on a system name from a list and then have
both monitors update to that system view of the model and the FM information. But perhaps the musuem tour guide can
show some examples, or there could be an identical list on each computer.....


Further, what softwares would I need to create the model, and then animations of the each system highlighted as stated above
and have the animation showing flow.....

Am I explaining my vision very well or....

Thanks

[Anonymous]

I think I sort of understand what you're asking for.
I must confess that I'm not really all that familiar with the Revit API,
nor that of the BAS which will be used in facility (do you happen to
know which one?).

I haven't seen this done before and I'm not sure which software packages
could help you out here. So, you're picturing a live, dynamically
updating model? (currently, the graphical aspects of our BAS are very
simple static images that simply have a field for readings to update in
each zone, this might be the easiest adaptation, having a good rendered
graphic here instead of the basic ones in use now)
I'm wondering if one of the "collaboration" packages might give you
something a little better to start with? Perhaps Navisworks?
http://www.autodesk.com/navisworks
Maybe even Vico55 Presenter?
http://www.vicosoftware.com/0/products/5d_presenter/features_and_benefits/tabid/84576/Default.aspx

Of course, they could be complete and total overkill and still require a
lot of customization as well...

I'd love to see something like what you are proposing in action, though.
How cool would that be. 😄


kinghorn4335 wrote:
> Thank you for your input.
> I have been doing what research I can and am learning that a direct approach to what I want is not there yet.
>
> Bare with me as I present a scenario and let me know if Im way off or maybe onto something and I apologize
> for my Revit ignorance I promise to be be more knowledgeable in the future as I learn Revit.
>
> (keep in mind, this client has money and is not looking for savings
> but alot of show of there systems)
>
> Could I construct the model of the existing facility and then render various views revealing different systems (i.e. HVAC)
> ( i see them brightly colored to show the routing throughout the ghosted or partially cut away building)
> And then on a computer screen next to this have the FM monitoring software showing their graphical representation
> of what the system is doing.
>
> Im not sure if I will ever be able to have the museum attendies be able to click on a system name from a list and then have
> both monitors update to that system view of the model and the FM information. But perhaps the musuem tour guide can
> show some examples, or there could be an identical list on each computer.....
>
>
> Further, what softwares would I need to create the model, and then animations of the each system highlighted as stated above
> and have the animation showing flow.....
>
> Am I explaining my vision very well or....
>
> Thanks

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your input again.
Ill look into your suggestions...

Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views...this might be something until Revit gets a few more years on it
Not that its not an awesome program already!!!

Take Care!!
Mark

[Anonymous]

>>Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views...

Revit does this as well. you can turn on a section box in a 3d view to get
a cut away view.

--
Jeff Hanson
SME (Subject Matter Expert)
Autodesk - BIM UX
Manchester, NH


wrote in message news:6324204@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thank you for your input again.
Ill look into your suggestions...

Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views...this might be something
until Revit gets a few more years on it
Not that its not an awesome program already!!!

Take Care!!
Mark

[Anonymous]

Easiest way to do it is to right click on the view cube, click on Orient to
View, then click on an existing floorplan or section view. The section box
is turned on and automatically clipped to the view range boundaries of a
plan view or the clip volume of the section. You can adjust further from
there with the shape handles.

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"Jeff Hanson (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:6324373@discussion.autodesk.com...
>>Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views...

Revit does this as well. you can turn on a section box in a 3d view to get
a cut away view.

--
Jeff Hanson
SME (Subject Matter Expert)
Autodesk - BIM UX
Manchester, NH


wrote in message news:6324204@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thank you for your input again.
Ill look into your suggestions...

Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views...this might be something
until Revit gets a few more years on it
Not that its not an awesome program already!!!

Take Care!!
Mark

[Anonymous]

"Autocad Architecture allows fancy cut-away views..."
"this might be something until Revit gets a few more years on it"





imagine there is no CAD
it's easy if you try

[Anonymous]

Can the sensor input be overlain on top of the revit view or the sensor input be used as another layer of information for the BIM. 

Afterall, just like the material of the wall, the temperature is also an 'INFORMATION', and there must be a way (using the API, probably) to extend the information related to an object.