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ericsimon9117
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Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

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06-13-2012 08:01 AM

We have a project that has been upgraded to Revit 2013.  When creating railings using the new railing types, top rails and hand rails disappear/are not visible seemingly at random.  For instance, when a railing is created that contains railing profiles in the non-continous rails dialog box in addition to a top rail, the top rail and extensions are not visible in plan, but the rails created in the old non-continous dialog are visible. 

 

This seems to occur only in our upgraded file.  New projects seem to display the top rails and hand rails consistently.

 

Can someone suggest what might be causing this and whether it is possible to fix it?

 

Also, with railings that contain a "Wall" type extension, the extension return occurs at a 90 degree angle even if it is set to have a fillet.  Further, in some instances, regardless of whether the rail is flat or sloped, the end wall extension return will display as two separate rectangles overlapping (i.e. it looks "broken"), instead of a clean, continuous railing.  This seems related to the "direction" that the rail sketch line is drawn (a line drawn from the bottom of the screen to the top will have a broken railing, one drawn from the top of the screen to the bottom will not).

 

I know that scolding the Autodesk software developers isn't going to change anything, but I feel the need to blow off a little steam.  The railing and stair "improvements" for this release are really not worth much.  It's still much more time consuming (and frustrating) to model these elements, and with poorer results graphically, than it is to simply draw them.  It's still not possible to dimension them properly, place balusters where you want them, make multi-level stair towers join properly, get the up/down arrows to display correctly, and a host of other issues. It's incredibly frustrating and baffling that there are so many issues with such a core component of the software's functionality.

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LisaDrago
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

06-14-2012 06:18 AM in reply to: ericsimon9117

Are you on Subscription? If so put a support ticket in with Autodesk... If not contact your reseller and have them put a ticket in for you.

 

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loboarch
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

06-14-2012 12:25 PM in reply to: ericsimon9117

On files upgraded to 2013 you may need to update the railings manually.  Here is the text from a page at the wiki help on upgrading files.

 

  • Railings: When you create a railing in an Autodesk Revit 2013 project, new railing types are available that include top rail and handrail properties. When you upgrade a project, if the new rail (top rail and handrail) properties do not display in the railing Type Property dialog, duplicate the existing railing type, and the new rail properties will be available in the duplicated type.

You can find more information here.

 

http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Revit/enu/2013/Help/00001-Revit_He0/0001-What%e2%80%99s_N1/0003-Upgrade...

 

This may help resolve the display issues you are seeing with the railings in your upgraded file.



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ericsimon9117
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

06-14-2012 12:31 PM in reply to: ericsimon9117

Sorry if this was not clear, but this is an upgraded railing.  It is a new type that was created after the upgrade to 2013.  The top rail has been created and is visible in some views, but not in others.

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krisweeks1
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

07-13-2012 08:13 AM in reply to: ericsimon9117

I'm having the same issue. See attached. This was not an existing handrail from a previous install; this was a new project from scratch on a clean 2013 install on a new machine.

 

Any ideas? I've tried view overrides, and line modify doesn't work on it.

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ccollins
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

07-13-2012 08:20 AM in reply to: krisweeks1

Make sure the railing is properly hosted by the ramp. Also, check View Range settings in the view.

Go to a 3D view and make sure the railing looks correct. Sometimes it may "disappear" in a plan view because it is "floating" above, or the View Range is set incorrectly in the Plan View.

 

Hopefully it is a display problem, and not a bug in RAC 2013.

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krisweeks1
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Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

07-13-2012 08:26 AM in reply to: ccollins

Aha! Found the answer on an AUGI forum. Change view from Coarse to Medium, and voila. There they are. Not sure why that is, but it works.

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AntMc
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Message 8 of 17 (5,611 Views)

Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

07-25-2012 04:08 AM in reply to: krisweeks1

I have just had the same problem.

I copied and pasted example rail content from Railings.rvt in the sample files folder in to an upgrade Revit 2012 project file.

These were not visible in any 3D views, nor were the new railings I created that had handrails.

Old railings were visible.

Changing detail level makes no difference.

 

This must be a bug!

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IjL
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Message 9 of 17 (5,504 Views)

Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

08-16-2012 10:30 AM in reply to: AntMc

I have an upgraded project with newly created 2013 handrails, in which handrail elements are appearing and disappearing at random and showing differently in different views.

 

A whole railing disappeared after clearing the balusters, and another time after clearing the non-continuous rail, but only in one 3D view, it was there in identically set up other views. The top rail failed to show on a handrail type on several levels of a stair, but was present on others. I now have railings all showing in a 3D view, but in the stair section the balusters and top rail are missing from some levels but not others. It is nothing to do with legacy railings or view detail.

 

Sometimes remaking the view restores it, but mostly the whole handrail needs to be deleted and replaced. Trying to get a multi-storey stair drawing done could be impossible.

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novelh
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Message 10 of 17 (5,209 Views)

Re: Revit 2013 - Top Rail and Hand Rail Not Visible

10-08-2012 09:07 AM in reply to: ericsimon9117

I am having the same problem. The two windows on the right is a new 2013 project I created as a sample to create the railings. The handrail is from the Railing sample file provided by Autodesk. When I transferred them into my project (which was recently converted from 2012 to 2013) shown in the two windows on the left I can't see the handrail in 3D even though I have all model categories turned on under Visibility Graphics. You can see the missing handrail in plan just fine though.

Another issue is that new stairs show two UP designations as you can see on the bottom left pane. Right above that you can tell that this is a simple single stair. There are not two stairs on top of each other.

 

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