Revit 2013 - Handrails disappear in section

[kevin.carroll]

I have upgraded our 2012 template to 2013 (not rebuilt).  When I create a railing with a handrail only (no balusters or toprail...) it disappears in section.  I have followed other similar posts and tried the detail level, tried VG settings, I even transferred project standards from the 2013 default.rte - all to no avail.   I repeated the test using the default.rte and the hand rail shows up...........I dont want to completely rebuild my templates, so ...........any suggestions?

During the test I take the standard Guardrail-Pipe railing family and reduce the items in it and finally the last thing I do is edit the baluster family section of posts (in Edit Type) and tell the start, corner and end post to be "none".........voila the handrail disappears in section!!! This is very repeatable for me. Thanks for any help.

[Milos_Vajdic]

It's something to do with the new railing data.

I recreated my railings and that seems to fixed the problem.

Bt recreating I mean I opened Revit's Architectural template did my railings in them and then copy pasted them into my upgraded template from which I deleted all my previous railings.

Recently I found out that people have been able to simply upgrade their template and then "duplicate" existing non-functioning railing and that seems to have fixed few issues as well.

So try to create a railing in Revit's template or try duplicating the existing railing and see if it helps at all.

[kevin.carroll]

Thank you!  I am trying today.

[kevin.carroll]

I have spent hours trying anything to make the handrails work in section with my 2012 template and so far no solution. even the new service pack.  I have also been rebuilding our template with the 2013 default.rte and at some point it gets broken and will not show the handrails.  I think I can troubleshoot the new template build, but not the old one.  This is very frustrating considering that any project using a template that can't show the handrail in section may be out of luck for the whole project.  This is not ok.  What is the use of a nifty handrail if it does not show in stair sections?  

[kevin.carroll]

BTW I am trying all these handrail solutions using the Guardrail - Pipe type from the 2013 default.rte.  I strip the type down to the handrail only....

[jdiaz]

You should update 2013 with the latest update 1. That will take care of that problem. Remember this update takes time, so, be pacient

Refer to this forum...they have the link for the update. 

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Revit-Architecture/Revit-2013-Updates/td-p/3546738

[kevin.carroll]

As I stated in my post the update did nothing to help this issue.

[ccollins]

Did you Duplicate the Railing Type? This is the "fix" Autodesk has suggested.

[kevin.carroll]

Yes, I duplicated them.  Still they dont show.  There must be something in my 2012 template that prevents this from upgrading.

[Milos_Vajdic]

You've tried everything I can think of already. It is sad when product is released with half baked "improvements" that break the old and new functions.

For example in my upgraded template all my stairs are defaulted to end with tread not riser, so you manually have to chang it after.

And no amount of tinkering will solve it.

I think you are on the right track, by rebuilding your template. I think its the only way. find which element breaks your ne template and fix it.

[Milos_Vajdic]

Arghhhhh....

Why did I read this post  🙂

I tested my "fixed" handrail template and it turns our handrail is shown only one side of the stair but not the other! (eventhough there are handrails on both sides of stair)

Duplicated the problem with 2013 default template.

Do a test:

Create a stair and create a handrail only railing. place a section through one flight of stairs and take a look. Then go back to plan and flip the section - now the handrail will either appear or disapear (depending which way your section was facing in the first place).

WTF Autodesk!!!

[john.lipp]

Is the handrail not showning up in section view if the view direction is to the bottom of the stair? What you described regarding flipping the section causing the rail to not display is an issue that has been logged with our Development group who are working to fix the issue.

KPOD, if you flip the direction of the section do the handrails display?

Best regards,



John Lipp
Support Specialist
Product Support
Autodesk, Inc.

[kevin.carroll]

Thank you John for your reply.   Flipping the section does show the railing.  But..........here is the interesting thing: When I experiment with this railing, I draw a horizontal railing from point 1 to point 2 (not hosted), then I add a section callout, when the section but is pointed toward point 2, the railing disappears, when pointed toward point 1 the railing shows up!! I repeated the experiment with a section cut parallel to the railing:  the railing disappears when point 1 is on the left side of the section, when I flip the section the handrail shows, also if I draw the section initially with point 2 on the left side of the section the railing shows. The same holds true with elevation callouts.  

So this is a bug, but does not seem insurmountable by Autodesk for a patch.

Thank you all again for the replies!

[Matt_Stachoni]

THIS IS DEFINITELY A BUG.

It doesn't have anything to do with your template, or Update #1, or the lack thereof, or anything else. It's related to the "flip" icon that the railing uses.

For these newfangled kinds of families, Revit isn't keeping it close the the railing; on my system it seems to put it at the project base point location, and stays fixed no matter where you have the railing. It doesn't move when you move the unpinned project location point. When you flip the railing the icon switches position (slightly); if the icon moves outside of the section box the railing disappears. On my project the section box I was making crossed the PBP and all of the railings disappeared.

AFAIK it only happens to railings that are "top rail only" styles. When I embed a "dummy" rail (e.g., place a 1/4" dia. profile inside where the top rail is) it then works perfectly.

[robertoldford6264]

Is there a solution to this problem yet? I ran across the same problem today. Railing showing up in one section, but not the other.

[kevin.carroll]

No solution has been presented anywhere tha I know of.  I have been monitoring this closely.  

I do have a workaround that has helped me:

I am working on a midrise project and when I placed stairs and handrails, the handrails would disappear in plan whithout notice so I could not dimension the extensions............So I modeled each separate stair condition type in a separate revit project model and linked those models into the main.  What I have gained with this solution is a very consistent plan view of the stair and I can now dimension the handrail extensions, and I can modify the link to update multiple stair sections.  I still have the issue of disappearing handrails depending on the section cut direction, and my handrails usually do not show up in the 3d view........but my sections and plans look good.  

I originially wanted to use grouped stairs to achieve all this, but it did not work. I hope this helps.

[jkb430]

I've come to the conclusion that the visibility of these handrails is in some way attached to the lack of ballusters. The only work-around I've found for this is creating a placeholder balluster family that is either empty or a minute solid form that gets placed at the base of the handrail. Once the baluster is loaded into a single corner, the handrail starts showing in all views. Until revit works through this bug, its the best I could come up with.

[jancokkk]

hallo every body ...center of tamplete is disappear, can you help me to inditial condition?

they are screw, nut, bearing, pipe, structure ect is gone!