RAC 2010 Ribbon Discussion

[vector2]

open image with paint and hit F11
for full 1024 x 768 view..

serious discussion only- we are
not feeding the trolls this time..

[Jazzster11]

Haven't you had enough "serious" conversations about the ribbon?

And what exactly have you been feeding the trolls?

- Alex

[ToanDN]

Hey why did you have 2 instances of Paint program open?

[Anonymous]

Why are you up at 4:30 in the morning?

Vector2 wrote:
> open image with paint and hit F11
> for full 1024 x 768 view..
>
> serious discussion only- we are
> not feeding the trolls this time..
>
>

[vector2]

Squid-

one instance of paint was the ribbon
interface i posted for this thread- and
the other was a small house i rendered
for a friend that i'm posting here for you
to look at.. thanks for your interest..

[vector2]

Anthony-

i like to wake up a 4:30 am
and post something in the
forum and then have plenty
of time to be awake for meeting
the architects and answering
their questions at 7:00 am..

why don't you post an image
of the tools you have on your
QAT.. or do you use the classic?

[Anonymous]

I haven't gotten enough Revit use to customize the QAT yet.
.-(

Vector2 wrote:
> Anthony-
>
> i like to wake up a 4:30 am
> and post something in the
> forum and then have plenty
> of time to be awake for meeting
> the architects and answering
> their questions at 7:00 am..
>
> why don't you post an image
> of the tools you have on your
> QAT.. or do you use the classic?
>

[ToanDN]

You are welcome.
But why didn't the 2 instances of Paint collapse onto each other on your taskbar, you know, like other programs I see in there? I suspect that you just copied and pasted the Paint icon onto your taskbar for an unknown purpose of yours, which is fine. But you could have set your taskbar to autohide so that the fake icon wouldn't have appeared and driven people away from the main point, which is the 1024x768 screen resolution.

[vector2]

Squid-

first of all- that task bar is what you get in
windows 7 when you select "best performance"
in system properties>advanced..

notice on the left side of the task bar next
to the start button the "internet explorer" icon..
that button shows two sessions open and with
the mouse pointer hovering over it (you can't see
the mouse pointer)- it displays what web pages
are open.. just like the tabs show at the top of
the browser..

then moving to the right you see two instances
of foxit pdf open.. then more to the right you see
three note pads open- the two paint- then one
revit..

again by hovering the mouse pointer over the
buttons on the task bar you get a list pop up
or how many of what are open..

windows 7 is so great in every way you have
to have it..

i can't understand what you are thinking about
a "fake icon" or "driving people away" or about
the 1024 x 768..

but keep asking me about anything you don't
understand and we will get it all straightened out..

[BernardMadoff]

small house?
looks like a floating shed one buys of the shelf @ IKEA......:-)
i wouldn't be getting up at 4:30am for this kind of work Vector2

[vector2]

bern-

they wanted to know what my other instance of paint was for..

i told them it was a house i rendered for a friend..

why are you so out of touch?

and didn't you read where we are not feeding the trolls this time?

now is there anything you want to know about revit or have to
say about it?

[ToanDN]

Very interesting. I bet Windows 7 must be a big step ahead of Windows ME no less.

Again, I already mentioned I had no problem with you copying and pasting the Paint icon on the taskbar at all. So plese don't feel bad about it. Let's just assume that you did it for a good cause. Such as calling attention for people to ask the exact question that I asked. Then you will answer the question by showing the rendering that you did that night. Ha... that is quite smart my man.

But let's get back to the main point of your post, which is 1024x768 resolution, that you have always subtly mentioned in the end of the majority of your posts. Feel free to discuss it further now as you should have done getting back at a person that you called 'friend'. While we are at it, the person may have done something wrong to you but he may not be a bad guy at a whole. You should have given him a chance. Probably too late now as he may already have received the rendering. Oh well.

[PhillipM]

Fantastic post. 🙂 It must have been hard to write like that??

[vector2]

Squid-

the open rendering in paint had been on my task bar
all day.. i even closed out some stuff before i print-screened
the attachment for this thread.. i just didn't notice the
rendering was still open.. and i also never would have
thought anyone would ask what it was..

the only reason i know of for me mentioning the 1024 x 768
was so anyone would know that's the size image they where
looking at.. i like to include information along with any
object i create.. revit is like that too..

also i said i did that rendering for a friend.. they wanted
to know what a small house would look like on a small
lot they were thinking about buying.. but i'm not in the
business of residential drafting..

[vector2]

with the ribbon it's just a matter of getting used to it..

like getting used to going grocery shopping with a
horse and buggy instead of a car.. once you get
used to it- you will get all your groceries home
and put away and you will be just as happy..

[josephadams8276]

wow, that is a lot of discussion about everything but the ribbon interface 🙂


I think the interface has potential, but the following are my main gripes

1) The application menu seems to be more complicated - maybe it just takes longer waiting on the flyouts to come up, but I seem to remember save as and exporting being fewer clicks.
2) There is no consistency on ribbon icon locations. why does the properties button have 3 different locations? context sensitivity is great, but you can have both. The buttons should have a global hierarchy that would have properties always appearing on the far left end (....then Filter, etc.).
3) I am not a fan of the way several buttons have been combined into one with a fly down. Mirror is now two seperate commands and the only way to get to Draw Mirror Axis is through the pull down (or defining your own short cut). What was really wrong with selecting the command and then selecting wether you select or draw the axis? The same is sort of true with Element and Type properties, but at least you can get to Type properties the old fashioned way if you click on the Element Properties button by mistake (not the fly out arrow). Those Ribbon buttons sure are big and harder to miss, but when you have to hit that tiny arrow that is half the size of the old icons in order to access a command, is that really an improvement? Maybe they could have had slightly smaller buttons and had one for each command.

I am curious how many users are using Windows XP. The reason I am asking here is we have been having many problems with 2010 running on XP. I just disabled the new interface (against my better judgement) on one of my users machines and his problems seem to have gone away...hmmmm... I'm just curious, but I suspect the Ribbon and XP aren't getting along (and may never).

[Anonymous]

wrote in message..
>I am curious how many users are using Windows XP. The reason I am asking
>here is we have been having many problems with 2010 running on XP. I just
>disabled the new interface (against my better judgement) on one of my users
>machines and his problems seem to have gone away...hmmmm... I'm just
>curious, but I suspect the Ribbon and XP aren't getting along (and may
>never).
______________

What kind of problems? Our whole office is still on XP 64-bit and have no
problems. At least none related to the ribbon (which I still hate how it
works even after having gotten used to it).

[vector2]

josephadams-

very intelligent post..

lots of great ideas that i will be studying..

i never seen the ribbon cause any problems
like you are talking about.. and if i ever do have
any problem with the way revit runs- i'm the
kind of person that just wipes everything off
my C: drive and puts it all back on fresh and
clean.. you can't have any problems that way..

[Anonymous]

You might be interested in this from someone in the know:
http://insidethefactory.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/08/revisiting-the-ui.html

We still run XP 32 and there is defintely higher memory usage using the
Ribbon as opposed to the 2009 UI, it always pushes the crash limit and
beyond so we have to watch it. I also noticed that loading up the QAT eats
memory. Until we get 64bit machines with loads of RAM that's my biggest
problem with the ribbon.

Rick Moore, AIA
www.bgkarchitects.com

[vector2]

Rick-

i think autodesk knows by now that the
release of the ribbon was not properly
implemented.. although it wasn't too
bad once they did make the classic
UI available..

i'm just hoping that the 2011 ribbon
performs at least as good as the
classic UI..

i'm trying to be as positive as i can
to help the people working on the
ribbon be as confident and productive
as they can be..

this thread is supposed to be about
offering ideas to help them make the
ribbon better- but it has mostly been
sabotaged by trolls.. lol