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Tilt441
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Questions about Revit...

Some background: I currently use AutoCad LT 2004 to draw (mostly) house plan projects. I'm looking to expand my work, and getting up with some more cutting edge software to increase productivity.

I saw a web-cast on Revit today and have a couple questions.

Is there a 'built-in' AutoCad ability in Revit? Once you learn the software, can you use it to model a house VERY accurately - and take 2D Elevations, Floor Plans, and Sections from the model (accurate for construction)?

I'm very 'behind' with AutoCad - and Autodesk is almost too daunting to figure out what I could use to really increase productivity. As a single person business, I have a hard time getting much info out of Autodesk re-sellers (they only seem interested in the sales to larger corporations).

What does Revit Architecture 2010 cost (in Canadian or US)? I've looked all over the internet, and have found everything from $199 to $4000.

Thanks,
Lyle
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Message 21 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

Don't make Revit harder to learn than it is, it really isn't that difficult
to become competent at, becoming an expert can take a while but most people
don't really need that level of knowledge to produce plans.

--
Lance W.
______________________________
my advice is congruent and factual..

"Dave Jones" wrote in message
news:6344985@discussion.autodesk.com...
> On 2/26/2010 6:07 AM, Lance W. wrote:
>> So you are comparing the time it takes to get the first Revit project off
>> the ground to the time it take to do a project in LT when you have years
>> of
>> project set up already done in LT. That first project in LT took a long
>> time
>> too since all those details, titleblocks etc had to be created for the
>> first
>> time then too.
>>
>
> I think that a key point here is that the OP is a self employed drafter.
> He doesn't have someone elses dime to get training on. I'm in the same
> boat and I'm anticipating my yearly income in '10 to be 1/2 of normal
> due to the learning curve of Revit. Most people can't afford that hit
> --
> Dave - DDP
> Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
> Win 7 Pro
> Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
> 8GB DDR3 RAM
> GeForce GTX260
Message 22 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/26/2010 9:11 AM, Lance W. wrote:
> Don't make Revit harder to learn than it is, it really isn't that difficult
> to become competent at, becoming an expert can take a while but most people
> don't really need that level of knowledge to produce plans.
>

you must be smarter than I am 🙂
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260
Message 23 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

I doubt it, I think we just have a different definition of what "competent
to produce plans" means.
--
Lance W.
______________________________
my advice is congruent and factual..

"Dave Jones" wrote in message
news:6345160@discussion.autodesk.com...
> On 2/26/2010 9:11 AM, Lance W. wrote:
>> Don't make Revit harder to learn than it is, it really isn't that
>> difficult
>> to become competent at, becoming an expert can take a while but most
>> people
>> don't really need that level of knowledge to produce plans.
>>
>
> you must be smarter than I am 🙂
> --
> Dave - DDP
> Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
> Win 7 Pro
> Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
> 8GB DDR3 RAM
> GeForce GTX260
Message 24 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

I don't think he read scotts post, Jose. It's very clear. That seems to be
his SOP. Pick a sentence and focus on it.

Vector2 go back and read Scott's entire post. It's quite clear what he means
about other factors.


--
J. Logan


"Jose" wrote in message
news:6344997@discussion.autodesk.com...
because you have different options when you buy revit architecture, revit
architecture suite, revit architecture visualization suite. You can purchase
it without a subscription, with a subscription, cross grade a current
subscription to one of the revit products above. With each revit product
above and the path you take be it without a subscription, with a
subscription, cross grade a current subscription cost a different amount.
Then if you buy it from a reseller it may cost more then buying it online
from Autodesk. Because the reseller might include training, support or other
things that make the price higher. Also depending on what country you are
in, it will cost a different amount. You can not just say $xxx US dollars,
because for someone in Australia it will most likely cost more then just
doing a exchange ratio for currency.

wrote in message news:6344899@discussion.autodesk.com...
Scott-

what does this mean:

"There are many factors that go into cost"

i don't remember the exact price to the penny-
but it's about $4500..

what are you talking about? Edited by: Discussion_Admin on Feb 26, 2010 1:29 PM
Message 25 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/26/2010 10:15 AM, Lance W. wrote:
> I doubt it, I think we just have a different definition of what "competent
> to produce plans" means.

maybe...I'm looking forward to the day that it "clicks" and I understand
the basic concepts. My 3 days of basic training in 2 weeks should help
me get closer. My problem now is that there is so much to learn about
that I keep getting off on tangents exploring this concept and that
concept forgetting where my original destination was 🙂
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260
Message 26 of 37
Tilt441
in reply to: Tilt441

I'm very much enjoying and appreciating the discussion coming from this thread.

Here's an update. I picked up my upgrade to LT 2010 yesterday from a reseller in Calgary. They were extremely informative, and have also made me some great offers to move up to Revit from my LT. I'll be taking this into consideration, and calculating my next move. It's not hard to see that Revit would dramatically improve my productivity in my work, as well as offer my clients (and potential new ones) a new service. This is the direction I see my business going in within the next few years anyways (into a 3D aspect).

However with the quoted costs involve in the software (and training), I'll need to make some large decisions. I may look at purchasing a student version to possibly train myself over a period of time - and then purchase the license version when reaady to inpliment into my business. I'll likely have to look into the legalities of that - not sure about student versions.

After speaking with some people that are using Revit (not to mention the comments here), I can see this program is certainly valid for the type of work I do. Is it over-kill? I don't know. Maybe it could be.....but I'm excited at its possibilities. The new directions I can take my business in, and the ability to show my current clients new aspects - it has me in a bit of a buzz. And not the least to mention, I see the design and drafting industry heading in the direction of a Revit type set up. In 10 years time, the concept of 2D drawings could very likely be a thing of the past (to a degree).

Lyle
Message 27 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

Tilt-

the most efficient way to build a bird house
is to build it first in revit..
Message 28 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/27/2010 1:52 PM, Tilt441 wrote:
> I'm very much enjoying and appreciating the discussion coming from this thread.
>
> Here's an update. I picked up my upgrade to LT 2010 yesterday from a reseller in Calgary. They were extremely informative, and have also made me some great offers to move up to Revit from my LT. I'll be taking this into consideration, and calculating my next move. It's not hard to see that Revit would dramatically improve my productivity in my work, as well as offer my clients (and potential new ones) a new service. This is the direction I see my business going in within the next few years anyways (into a 3D aspect).
>
> However with the quoted costs involve in the software (and training), I'll need to make some large decisions. I may look at purchasing a student version to possibly train myself over a period of time - and then purchase the license version when reaady to inpliment into my business. I'll likely have to look into the legalities of that - not sure about student versions.
>
> After speaking with some people that are using Revit (not to mention the comments here), I can see this program is certainly valid for the type of work I do. Is it over-kill? I don't know. Maybe it could be.....but I'm excited at its possibilities. The new directions I can take my business in, and the ability to show my current clients new aspects - it has me in a bit of a buzz. And not the least to mention, I see the design and drafting industry heading in the direction of a Revit type set up. In 10 years time, the concept of 2D drawings could very likely be a thing of the past (to a degree).
>
> Lyle

Hi Lyle,
you don't need to buy Revit now. If you want to learn Revit without
using it for your business just download the demo version. It's fully
functional for 30 days then, while it continues to function I've been
led to understand that it won't allow any output. You will have to have
the hardware required to run Revit though, which may be substantially
more than is required to run Acad LT.

good luck in your journey 🙂
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260
Message 29 of 37
Tilt441
in reply to: Tilt441

Thanks,

I got a copy of the Revit '30 day trial' while at the reseller yesterday. If it continues to work beyond the 30 days (sans output), that would be perfect. That way I could slowly teach myself how to use it, and move up to the full version when ready.

My main work computer can handle the software (however, I want to upgrade to Windows 7). And I'm getting a new laptop soon. I'll be ordering it with the ability to handle Revit. I'll likely just use the 'trial' software on my laptop to practice with (when not working).

Thanks again.
Lyle Edited by: Tilt441 on Feb 27, 2010 10:23 PM
Message 30 of 37
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: Tilt441

Dave

Now that you guys talk about the learning curve, that makes me remember that you told me you took one of those 3-days-in-a-row-8-hours-a-day courses, which is a common practice here in the US. Did that really help you to get a good understanding of the software and gain some decent productivity level and at least have fun doing a small project of your own? Doesn't that have something to do with you still having a hard time with Revit? I think such a course is too much information in too short time. It doesn't matter how smart you are, it's just that there's not enough time to digest all that. By the end of the first day you´re tired already, and by the end of the third day you want to go on vacation. But, hey, we want everything fast, don't we? but then we wonder what to do later with the time we saved.

Alfredo Medina
info@planta1.com

Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Autodesk Expert Elite (on Revit) | Profile on Linkedin
Message 31 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

Tilt- almost any computer will run revit just fine for learning-
and you don't need to print construction documents
while you are learning anyway..
Message 32 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

With a good instructor a 3 day essentials course can give you the basic
knowledge you need to get some plans going, if you are doing fairly standard
jobs.

--
Lance W.
______________________________
my advice is congruent and factual..

"Alfredo_Medina" wrote in message news:6345618@discussion.autodesk.com...
> Dave
>
> Now that you guys talk about the learning curve, that makes me remember
> that you told me you took one of those 3-days-in-a-row-8-hours-a-day
> courses, which is a common practice here in the US. Did that really help
> you to get a good understanding of the software and gain some decent
> productivity level and at least have fun doing a small project of your
> own? Doesn't that have something to do with you still having a hard time
> with Revit? I think such a course is too much information in too short
> time. It doesn't matter how smart you are, it's just that there's not
> enough time to digest all that. By the end of the first day you´re tired
> already, and by the end of the third day you want to go on vacation. But,
> hey, we want everything fast, don't we? but then we wonder what to do
> later with the time we saved.
>
> Alfredo Medina
> info@planta1.com
Message 33 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/27/2010 2:35 PM, Alfredo_Medina wrote:
> Dave
>
> Now that you guys talk about the learning curve, that makes me remember that you told me you took one of those 3-days-in-a-row-8-hours-a-day courses, which is a common practice here in the US. Did that really help you to get a good understanding of the software and gain some decent productivity level and at least have fun doing a small project of your own? Doesn't that have something to do with you still having a hard time with Revit? I think such a course is too much information in too short time. It doesn't matter how smart you are, it's just that there's not enough time to digest all that. By the end of the first day you´re tired already, and by the end of the third day you want to go on vacation. But, hey, we want everything fast, don't we? but then we wonder what to do later with the time we saved.
>
> Alfredo Medina
> info@planta1.com

Hi Alfredo,
my classes start next Monday, 3/8, so I have yet to be subjected to the
mind numbing 8 hr a day experience 🙂 I'm working with Revit 2010
tutorials every day and each day it makes a little more sense to me.
It's going to be a difficult journey for me for awhile to get from 2D
Acad with no parametric experience to, well, Revit. One of the things
that I'm having a hard time getting my head around is how will I, when I
get to the point of using Revit for my everyday projects, get the finite
detail required by my discipline. I have spent my days for years with
Acad producing details with 5+ decimal points of accuracy. Revit just
seems so generalized, regarding detail to me. I'll get it, just takes time.
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260
Message 34 of 37
Alfredo_Medina
in reply to: Tilt441

Hi, Dave

I thought you had taken it already, for the conversation we had in the other newsgroup. I understand that your work is related to detailing curtain walls. Have you ever worked with ACA's detail component library? That is a great tool for making details.

Alfredo Medina
info@planta1.com

Alfredo Medina _________________________________________________________________ ______
Licensed Architect (Florida) | Freelance Instructor | Autodesk Expert Elite (on Revit) | Profile on Linkedin
Message 35 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:13:46 -0800, Dave Jones wrote:

>my classes start next Monday, 3/8, so I have yet to be subjected to the
>mind numbing 8 hr a day experience 🙂 I'm working with Revit 2010
>tutorials every day and each day it makes a little more sense to me.

That's an EXCELLENT plan. Going through the tutorials before the Essentials
training is a good thing - it allows the instructor to concentrate on the lesson
plan instead of incessently telling you to move the mouse, click the button, go
to such-and-such tab/panel/tool, etc.

>It's going to be a difficult journey for me for awhile to get from 2D
>Acad with no parametric experience to, well, Revit. One of the things
>that I'm having a hard time getting my head around is how will I, when I
>get to the point of using Revit for my everyday projects, get the finite
>detail required by my discipline. I have spent my days for years with
>Acad producing details with 5+ decimal points of accuracy. Revit just
>seems so generalized, regarding detail to me. I'll get it, just takes time.

Simple! Import your CAD file!! Or better yet, scan it, import it, and trace it
in Revit! (BTW - that's a joke).

You are right - modeling the building is a generic kind of thing. When you
create details views of your model - wall sections and wall details form
building sections, for example - you have simplistic graphics on top of which
you draft 2D things to bring the actual detail to life.

The difference in Revit is that the drafting process is actually (IMO) much
easier. The set of built-in detail components is exceptional. Creating repeating
details and detail groups for things that are reused are simple to learn and
insert.

Masking regions are fantastically implemented in Revit; not only do the
"wipeouts" actually WORK, but you have complete control over the individual
linework pieces that makes up the masking region.

And if you download things like Kawneer's Revit families for their curtain wall
systems, you will find that they are preloaded with high-quality mullion
detailing which shows up at the fine detail level.

Not only that, but you can leverage keynotes and textnotes which automatically
fills in (and can schedule) the notes you would put into a typical detail.

Matt
matt@stachoni.com
Message 36 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/27/2010 6:33 PM, Alfredo_Medina wrote:
> Hi, Dave
>
> I thought you had taken it already, for the conversation we had in the other newsgroup. I understand that your work is related to detailing curtain walls. Have you ever worked with ACA's detail component library? That is a great tool for making details.
>
> Alfredo Medina
> info@planta1.com

Alfredo,
I have not had the opportunity to work with ACA in the past. But I now
have it installed as it was a part of my Revit Arch Suite. It's like
Christmas time around here 🙂
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260
Message 37 of 37
Anonymous
in reply to: Tilt441

On 2/27/2010 7:57 PM, Matt Stachoni wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:13:46 -0800, Dave Jones wrote:
>
>> my classes start next Monday, 3/8, so I have yet to be subjected to the
>> mind numbing 8 hr a day experience 🙂 I'm working with Revit 2010
>> tutorials every day and each day it makes a little more sense to me.
>
> That's an EXCELLENT plan. Going through the tutorials before the Essentials
> training is a good thing - it allows the instructor to concentrate on the lesson
> plan instead of incessently telling you to move the mouse, click the button, go
> to such-and-such tab/panel/tool, etc.

just going from my Acad classic workspace to the Revit ribbon has been
an adventure 🙂
>
>> It's going to be a difficult journey for me for awhile to get from 2D
>> Acad with no parametric experience to, well, Revit. One of the things
>> that I'm having a hard time getting my head around is how will I, when I
>> get to the point of using Revit for my everyday projects, get the finite
>> detail required by my discipline. I have spent my days for years with
>> Acad producing details with 5+ decimal points of accuracy. Revit just
>> seems so generalized, regarding detail to me. I'll get it, just takes time.
>
> Simple! Import your CAD file!! Or better yet, scan it, import it, and trace it
> in Revit! (BTW - that's a joke).


>
> You are right - modeling the building is a generic kind of thing. When you
> create details views of your model - wall sections and wall details form
> building sections, for example - you have simplistic graphics on top of which
> you draft 2D things to bring the actual detail to life.

I'm looking forward to being able to get to that point.
>
> The difference in Revit is that the drafting process is actually (IMO) much
> easier. The set of built-in detail components is exceptional. Creating repeating
> details and detail groups for things that are reused are simple to learn and
> insert.
>
> Masking regions are fantastically implemented in Revit; not only do the
> "wipeouts" actually WORK, but you have complete control over the individual
> linework pieces that makes up the masking region.

wipeouts that work. What a novel concept 🙂
>
> And if you download things like Kawneer's Revit families for their curtain wall
> systems, you will find that they are preloaded with high-quality mullion
> detailing which shows up at the fine detail level.

I've downloaded some of Kawneer's curtain wall BIM models and compared
to the level of detail that I'm used to outputting they are simply not
good enough. I feel like I'm working on an 8 square block 50 story high
building and I'm detailing a 1' square jewel box that is situated right
in the middle of the job. A very small part of the big picture but very
important to myself and my customer who has the task of ordering the
material for, fabricating, and installing the jewel box. The box is a
part of the model because it's a part of the project and it has physical
connection to the model which, while being important, is a small facet
of what information I need to make available in the model. I know that
I'm not the only one who requires this level accuracy and detail so I'm
sure it can be done in Revit. I just don't have my head around how to
make it happen yet. The process for me is in its infancy. I'll get it.
>
> Not only that, but you can leverage keynotes and textnotes which automatically
> fills in (and can schedule) the notes you would put into a typical detail.

yeah, I'm seeing that advantage already. Once set up properly it just
works for you behind the scenes.
>
> Matt
> matt@stachoni.com

thanks Matt (and Alfredo) for the direction and encouragement,
--
Dave - DDP
Acad and Revit 2010 64 bit
Win 7 Pro
Intel I7-860 @2.8GHz
8GB DDR3 RAM
GeForce GTX260

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