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Phase Graphics at the 'View' Level

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Message 1 of 17
IMCornish
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Phase Graphics at the 'View' Level

Is there any way to differentiate phase graphics at the view level? The Phasing Dialog reached from the Phasing panel on the Manage tab appears to change all graphics throughout the project (every view) whilst the right click of an element, in a view, offers graphic overrides, by Element, Category and Filter, but none appear to offer the option of 'Phase'. At this point I must confess that I have not got to grips, fully, with the later 'Filter' but it does not appear to enable the opportunity. Is this possible?

Having entered this question on the WikiHelp pages, and had no response, I thought that it might be worth repeating it here.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
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Message 2 of 17
CoreyDaun
in reply to: IMCornish

There is no other way to control the visibility of Elements according to their 'Phase' other than the Phase Filter that I know of. There are work-around options such as putting them on their own Workset, adding a Project Parameter, or creating a specific family Type for existing elements (which would have the suffix "Existing") so that they can be affected by a View Filter, but they are typically pretty involved.

 

Could you elaborate on what exactly you are trying to accomplish and why? There may be alternative solutions...

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Message 3 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: CoreyDaun

I am woking on a project to make substantial alterations to an existing building and am trying to produce working detail plans (each being callouts from the overall project layout plans) where the 'Existing' elements in all the 'New Construction' views are recessive (halftone if you want) and thus make it obvious that the new elements have to be built as they will stand out from those remaining of the existing elements.  I am also setting up sheets where the 'Existing' detail layout plan is to be shown next to the 'New Construction' detail view. Similarly I wish to show the 'Demolished' elements to stand out in the 'Existing' views with the elements to be retained being recessive.

Whilst I can easily set the phase colouring at the project level I do not want to have these graphic changes made at the full building plans level, but just need them to reference the detailed plans through the callouts.

I know that I can laboriosly  pick each of the elements that I want in halftone and 'Overide Graphics in View' but wish to streamline the process.  Picking all elements in the view is no good also since you cannot filter the results by phase.

If you can think of a workaround then I would be very pleased.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 4 of 17
CoreyDaun
in reply to: IMCornish

I take it that you don't want to just check the "Halftone" option for Existing in Phasing » Graphic Overrides? That was, new AND demo elements will stand out. Why woundn't you want this to affect the larger Views as well?

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Message 5 of 17

The Revit default with phasing is to color existing structure with a solid gray. That is readily distinguishable from new work by default. No additional picking of setting is needed.

 

You can also control phase filters to other settings. For instance, if you delete the projection patterns and lines  to "no overrides" and deleted the material color, and set the halftone checkbox to check, you will get default cut patterns at halftone. I like this because the existing material types are graphically distinct.

 

Arthur

Message 6 of 17
scott_d_davis
in reply to: IMCornish

You control Phase graphics at the view level by changing the settings in the property of the view. Set the properties to show "demo an new" and that's all you'll see. Set to "show complete" and all linework will be "by category" with no half toning.

No need to go through object by object to apply over rides.


Scott D Davis
Sr AEC Technical Specialist
Message 7 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: CoreyDaun

The reason I don't want to highlight these differences at the overall plan scales is because there is no reason to and it will confuse.  I have one for 'as existing' (the survey) and one for 'as proposed' which I wish to be definitive and only used to reference the working detail plan views.

Please also look at my replies to two other responses I have had.

Thanks for your help.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 8 of 17

Arthur, thanks for your interest but I am not sure you are correct about the defaults.  Further to overide in the way you suggest will be too long winded.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 9 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: scott_d_davis

This would seem to be the obvious answer and yes it works for the 'New Construction' phase detailed view, thank you.  But I can't get it to highlight the 'demolished' elements in the 'Existing' phase detailed view.  I have tried creating a new 'Phase Filter' which I named 'Highlight Demolished' but have just confused myself. When I tried it everything but rooms disappeared!

I think I need to get to grips with phase filters and graphic overides which currently defeat my logic!

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 10 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: scott_d_davis

I have spent a little time now reading about phase filters and realised that I had to create another phase which I called 'Demolished' and set the  items to be demolished as demolished in this phase.  I was then able to apply this new phase to the previously 'Existing' phase detail view and set the a new phase filter called 'Highlight Demolished' to the view. I could have marked the demolished elements as demolished in the exiting phase but clearly this would not be true.  Highlighting of the newly constructed elements works as you said in your earlier response.  Thanks  

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 11 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: IMCornish

I had thought that the solution to this issue had been found but later found that a 'Callout' cannot have a different phase from the mother view, thus when I changed my new detail callout view to the new phase, the 'Callout Frame' disappeared from the mother drawing.  Am now trying to understand 'View Templates' to see if there is some hope there.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 12 of 17
rosskirby
in reply to: IMCornish

I think you're making this a lot more complicated than it has to be.  Let me see if I can summarize your problem, and offer a solution.

 

You want to have your overall views set up so that the existing building is not distinguished graphically (i.e. halftone) from the new work in any way.  However, in your detail views, you would like to distinguish graphically between the new work (full tone) and existing building (halftone).  

 

Is that correct?  If so, here's how you can accomplish that (see attached image).

 

For the indistinguished views: use a phase filter called "Show Complete" with the overrides set to "By Category" for both new and existing.

 

For the distinguished views: use the typical filters as it applies to the view (i.e. Show Previous + Demo for demo details, Show Previous + New for new details, etc.).

 

If that isn't what you're after, please clarify.

Ross Kirby
Principal
Dynamik Design
www.dynamikdesign.com
Message 13 of 17
IMCornish
in reply to: rosskirby

Ross

 

Having read your response I am much clearer about phasing and callouts, thank you.

My issue is again one of logic.  My large scale plans of the 'As Existing' and 'As Proposed'  where I don't wish there to be any highlighting are happy with their respective Phase and Phase Filters but my logic says that to create a 'Callout' of the elements to be demolished then this should refer back to the 'As Existing' large scale drawing, but because the 'Demolished' elements are undertaken in the 'New Construction' phase then the 'Callout' cannot be filtered to highlight the 'Demolished' elements, they can only be highlighted by having a view set to the 'New Construction' phase.  If you then change the phase of the detailed 'Callout' view to 'New Construction' then the 'Callout' frame disappears from the 'As Existing' large scale drawing.  In other words you cannot have a 'Callout' from an 'As Existing' phase drawing which can highlight demolished elements.  There is no problem with creating a 'Callout' from an 'As Proposed' large scale view because it will share the 'New Construction' phase with the large scale drawing and it is only the phase filter which needs to be altered.

 

It would seem therefore that the answer is to create a Phase Filter that highlights 'Demolished' elements in an 'Existing Phase' view.  A workaround might be to change the phase of the 'As Existing' views to a newly created  intermediate phase, perhaps called 'Demolitions' or could a Phase Filter be created that highlights 'Demolitions' in the Existing Phase drawing if the elements where demolished in the 'Existing' Phase???

 

Any comments greatfully accepted.

Andrew Robertson
Chartered Architect
Robertson Partnership
Truro. UK
Message 14 of 17
peterjegan
in reply to: IMCornish


@IMCornish wrote:

...my logic says that to create a 'Callout' of the elements to be demolished then this should refer back to the 'As Existing' large scale drawing.....

.....create a Phase Filter that highlights 'Demolished' elements in an 'Existing Phase' view.

 

I belive this is where you have gone astray. 

 

Demolition is not a phase - it is an activity within a phase.

 

Place your existing elements in the exising phase and demolish them in the new construction phase.  Assuming you have removed your "Demolition" phase, I don't understand how this wouldn't give you exactly what you are looking for.

Message 15 of 17
loboarch
in reply to: IMCornish

Perhaps you could provide some example image of the views you need and how you are expecting them to be displayed.  I am pretty sure what you are asking for can probably be accomplished, but I am having a hard time understanding the view you need and what they are supposed to look like/show.



Jeff Hanson
Principal Content Experience Designer
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Message 16 of 17

You can devise demolition views in a number of ways. I find showing demolition in new work sometimes leads to graphic congestion.

 

Here is what I do. I create a phase called demolition that occurs after existing and before new work phases. I create my existing model. I then create my proposed new model changes. I edit the demoltion phase as I go to show what is to be removed. At the end of my design, I show the demolition phase work on it's own sheets. What shows on the bulk of the contract documents is existing structure and proposed new work without any demolition work. That's all on the demolition drawings. It's simple enough for me to keep straight. I haven't had any complaints from the contractors.

 

Arthur

Message 17 of 17
IH-Paradigm
in reply to: loboarch

Revit's phasing needs a serious overhaul. We're working on a Data Centre now where 'future' phases are critical and we're having to jump through hoops to get things to display correctly. And it's being built in an existing building where some existing rooms are remaining so it gets very tricky.

 

Here's some things I think would improve the phasing in Revit

 

1. The ability to view future phases and apply a graphic over-ride to them

2. The ability to show rooms and room tags from previous and future phases in a view, no matter what phase the view is set to.

3. The ability to export to CAD with all phase info attached to layers rather than just applying the suffix "EXST" to all previous layers.

 

 

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