Often we need to change the lineweight for our plans & sections to read clearly, despite the wall being cut in view. How should we best go about changing the linework of only a portion of the wall? For interior partition walls I have no problem splitting the walls where needed, but this isn't the case for exterior walls as shown here.
Can someone please tell me the method for doing this other than splitting the exterior wall or changing it to a thinner line and using detailing lines to draft in the lineweight.
The issue lies with the inside edge of the exterior wall, currently shown running through the column as seen below.
Thanks,
Kevin
Try the following:
1. What happens if you use the Join tool?
2. If the column is not set into the wall adjust your drawing.
3. If the column is set into the wall what happens if you change your wall type at the column, after all it should be a different type (I'm assuming).
Quick options:
a. Linework tool.
b. Filler Region in your exploded views. The rest can remain and (hopefully) no one will notice if the scale is small enough).
Hope this helps and thanks for posting.
Hi Kevin,
I'm a little confused by the detail that you are showing - which may also be why you found Alan's response unhelpful. The symbol used to show the wall is for a cavity wall - studs. insulation etc aren't shown in any detail. It's symbolic. Then the symbol used to show the column is detailed - down to the fillets.The symbol used to show the window is indicative, there no indication of clearances, flashing etc.
So I'm wondering if perhaps too much is trying to be achieved here - as for myself - it is clear that this is not a detail to be built from. This one can be figured out on site. So having a fat line passing through the steel, as opposed to a thin line passing through the steel - neither of which is a constructible detail - maybe, perhaps - isn't a big deal? Apologies if I have not understood.
Best regards,
David
Terribly sorry for any confusion in the image, I will be happy to provide another one below which I hope is more helpful.
Your comment is primarily regarding the construction of the wall. The flashing, spacing, etc details which you mentioned are information for a callout drawing, what I have clipped here for you is a small section of a plan drawing, 1/8" scale. Brick returns and construction details are less of a concern for this early DD plan -- clarity of the plan itself, particularly graphical clarity, is what I am trying to achieve.
Whether the column is shown as course or fine, the shape is still the same for steel WF, just one line or 2. Cavity walls are always put together on site, the drawings only specify the width of the layers, how to start the coursing, and any special rowlocks etc.
I use the built in linework tool to control the linework for small furring walls, such as the one used around the column in the red circle below. Because its a small furring wall, if I leave it cut in plan, it will show up as two thick cut lines that are very close to each other -- making them read as one very thick line, thicker than other more important walls, such as the exterior wall. I can change the interior side of this wall to a thin line, leaving the outside line to show thick, representing the wall clearly.
If I try to change the lineweight of the interior side of the exterior cavity wall, it will change that line along the whole wall length-- shown by the blue arrows. Because that exterior wall runs the entire length of the building, all of the lines called out by blue arrows will change to that same lineweight. I would like to change just the portion of the wall-line in the red circle to a thinner lineweight, not the entire interior side of the wall that it is a part of (blue arrows). The green circle correctly shows a wall joint guided by the template.
I hope this is more clear. Thanks for any help you can offer.
-Kevin
Hi Kevin.
I see what you're trying to do, and no, there isn't a way to make the linework tool control only a segment of that line. There are a couple of solutions that might work for you, depending on what your final detailing is meant to show and your desired graphical outcome.
First, you could try using architectural columns for the bump-outs at the structural columns. Architectural columns will auto-join with the adjacent wall and "inherit" their material properties (i.e. gyp on stud). This would get rid of the heavy line within the cavity, but it takes a little playing with to get it exactly how you want it.
Second, you could do what I do, and model the exterior wall segment at that point as a different wall type (i.e. one that doesn't have gyp on the interior face), and then override the linework.
Third, if you don't want to do option 2, you could just split the wall into segments on either side of the bump out, then you've got 3 end-to-end segments, but you can override the linework of each segment individually.
Hope that helps.
Thank you gaslanidis for your detailed reply to this question back in 2014. I am attempting to implement your solution to override the lineweight for only part of a wall's line. I have line model elements visibile in VG; however, when I select the wall face with the linework tool, no grips appear. I am using Revit 2016. Is there another setting I need to adjust to make grips appear?
Thank you,
Jan Lepicovsky
AIA, LEED AP