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ruipfbarreiros
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How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

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01-27-2014 03:48 AM

Hi,

 

I'd like to create a 3D view of an element to be able to use in different projects. The best logical way I can think of would be to create such element in a project just for that purpose, create 3D views with annotation and then somehow import only those 3D views to the project i'm working on...

 

I think it can't be done this way but it shows what I want to achieve.

 

What's the best way to reuse a 3D detail with annotations?

 

Thanks

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-27-2014 04:09 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros
I may stand corrected... but 3D views are of modelled objects. So you won't simply be copying a view into the project like a drafting view... you would be copying all the model components.
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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-27-2014 04:40 AM in reply to: damo3

yes you are quite right...i also think that the 3d object would come along...but i've read of a workaround to that, which would be to create a design phase exclusive to those 3D models so that they only appear whenever I want to...

 

would this be the best way to go about the problem? 

 

still, I can't import 3D views from the project which has the element, even if it's linked to the project i'm working on, right?

 

I can't work out the workflow for this situation..

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 07:05 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros
anyone?
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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 07:15 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros

There is no way to import the 3D View into another Project - you'd have to copy over the elements and then recreate the View. Perhaps you can include those elements and the desired 3D View(s) in your Project Template, so they are there at the start of every new Project. And perhaps instead of creating a dedicated Phase for these element, maybe you could create a dedicated Design Option and place these on a Secondary Option, so they don't display unless you want them to.

 

If you have to import it into an existing Project, you can link it in from another Project file (create one that only has those elements) and create a 3D View that is set to "By Linked View" and link it to the desired 3D View. It'll still take a little fiddling around with the V/G Settings, though.

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 07:47 AM in reply to: CADastrophe

i'd rather have a separate project in which I create all my annotated 3D models. my workflow now is this:

 

  1. Create a project (or projects) with the 3d models i'd like to reuse 
  2. Following your advice, create design options: a) Create an option set and name it "Main Model", b) Name the primary option "Main Model", c) Create an option in that option set name "Auxiliary 3D models"
  3. Choose the "Auxiliary 3D models" option and then link the projects containing the 3D models to that design option. This way, these 3D models will only appear if the secondary option is selected
  4. I can then activate the "By linked view" option in the visibility graphics overrides of the link and choose the view previously defined in the 3D model project. This way, I get all the annotations and detail items from the 3D model...

I just realized a major flaw to this workflow...I can't choose the design option in a view by view basis...

 

Almost had it!

 

Any suggestions?

 

PS: I don't understand why this situation has never been discussed before...I would think this would be very handy for a lot of Revit users...

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 07:49 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros

I think my only solution is to make use of phases since i can then select the phase I want to show on a view by view basis...

 

Correction! Through the visibility/graphic overrides I can in fact choose which design option to show! This solves the problem...

 

I'd like you now to comment on this workflow and how would you improve it..

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 09:25 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros

I think if you search for "legends" you will find a lot of discussion on the subject, maybe not exactly the way you want but very close to it.

 

I'm trying to find a way to do legends for windows and door families, but without remaking them at every new project (that´s why i´m following your post). I will try your workflow as soon i have some free time. Certainly this is a revit area which needs a lot of improvement.

 

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 11:08 AM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros

Maybe these steps I've made in one of my projects could help you:

  1. in original Project file choose a 3d axonometric view with dimensions .
  2. Select all the entities you want to reuse incuding dimensions - Isolate Element to control exactly what you will save 
  3. Make a Group from these selected entities.
  4. from Application Menu (R) :smileyfrustrated:ave As > Library > Group >Save Group- choose Group to Save >Save 
  5.  Now , open the .rvt file saved in step 4 - it will contain the selected elements from previous steps - In 3 D Views you will find the saved View with dimensions
  6. Linked in another Revit File it will keep the elements but loose the dimensions...

step 4:

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Re: How to create a 3D detail to use in several projects?

01-30-2014 03:39 PM in reply to: ruipfbarreiros

So I often ask users who come to me with a problem about how or why they can't do something in Revit with the question.... "How did you do it in AutoCAD?" I ask this, because sometimes we get too bogged down with 3D modelling in Revit, when sometimes, it doesnt need to be modelled, heck sometimes it doesnt even have to be drawn, let the schedules do the work. 

 

If I assume for a moment (and correct me if I am off) you previoulsy had these 3D details in AutoCAD as 2D isometrics, that you pulled up everytime you needed them? 

Why not do the same in Revit? Now before you all go "Are you crazy! what is the point of using Revit"... Revit is not just about documenting in 3D, in my opinion its all about the coordination and creating far more efficient and coordinated documentation. Messing around with phases, design options, groups etc doesnt sound efficient to me. Sounds more like stress days factored into every project. 

 

If they were 2D isometrics "3D details" in drafting views exactly as you want them, then inserting them project to project would be a breeze, and as a previous post suggested, even have them in your template if they are that common amongst projects. 

 

BUT... this may all get shot down if you tell me you need the 3D geometry as part of your sections, elevations etc. I really don't have enough information about the context of these details within your drawing set. but my 2cents. 

 

p.s. the other beauty of this option is you can callout to these drafting views in any view with ease. 

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