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Detail Component Fill Patterns - Align to Element

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Message 1 of 29
Anonymous
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Detail Component Fill Patterns - Align to Element

How do you make it work?

I've utilized the Plywood-Section detail component out of the Imperial
Library, and it runs left-to-right, no matter the orientation of the
element I drew. Messing with the Fill Pattern settings, it looks
identical if I set the Plywood-Align pattern to "Align to Element", or
"Orient to View". Nothing changes.

Am I missing something, or does it simply not work?
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Brian Winterscheidt
LWPB Architecture
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
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Message 2 of 29
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Brian Winterscheidt wrote:
> I've utilized the Plywood-Section detail component out of the Imperial
> Library, and it runs left-to-right, no matter the orientation of the
> element I drew.

Here's a screenshot.

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Brian Winterscheidt
LWPB Architecture
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Message 3 of 29
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Align to element settings does not work with detail components. 😞

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Jeff Hanson
Autodesk - AEC Technical Publications
Manchester, NH
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"Brian Winterscheidt" wrote in message
news:5703490@discussion.autodesk.com...
How do you make it work?

I've utilized the Plywood-Section detail component out of the Imperial
Library, and it runs left-to-right, no matter the orientation of the
element I drew. Messing with the Fill Pattern settings, it looks
identical if I set the Plywood-Align pattern to "Align to Element", or
"Orient to View". Nothing changes.

Am I missing something, or does it simply not work?
--
Brian Winterscheidt
LWPB Architecture
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Message 4 of 29
pgrimmi
in reply to: Anonymous

this is a very common pattern for plywood and if we cannot have the hatch patterns orient the way we need them to it does us no good to spend the time creating details in revit.

i have exactly the same problem (see attached file).
is there a way around this fill pattern orientation problem?
Regards
pgrimmi
Message 5 of 29
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Is this functionality in the offing for the next release?
We currently do a fill pattern and rotate it per the rotated ply and live
with this....
(dont shoot me for this ridiculous workaround...)
n

"Jeff Hanson (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:5703539@discussion.autodesk.com...
Align to element settings does not work with detail components. 😞

--
Jeff Hanson
Autodesk - AEC Technical Publications
Manchester, NH
_______________________________________
"Brian Winterscheidt" wrote in message
news:5703490@discussion.autodesk.com...
How do you make it work?

I've utilized the Plywood-Section detail component out of the Imperial
Library, and it runs left-to-right, no matter the orientation of the
element I drew. Messing with the Fill Pattern settings, it looks
identical if I set the Plywood-Align pattern to "Align to Element", or
"Orient to View". Nothing changes.

Am I missing something, or does it simply not work?
--
Brian Winterscheidt
LWPB Architecture
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Message 6 of 29
pgrimmi
in reply to: Anonymous

i've tried this too and i could never get it to work...how did you do this?
Message 7 of 29
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

This issue has been logged with the development team for consideration in a
future release of Revit.

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Jeff Hanson
Autodesk - AEC Technical Publications
Manchester, NH
_______________________________________
"nicholas" wrote in message
news:5706105@discussion.autodesk.com...
Is this functionality in the offing for the next release?
We currently do a fill pattern and rotate it per the rotated ply and live
with this....
(dont shoot me for this ridiculous workaround...)
Message 8 of 29
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

The fill pattern type has to be "Model" to achieve this.
hth
wrote in message news:5706271@discussion.autodesk.com...
i've tried this too and i could never get it to work...how did you do this?
Message 9 of 29
alanier
in reply to: Anonymous

One workaround we just made was to edit the plywood Detail Component family and add a filled region with a vertical orientation (on top of the horizontal one). Reconstrain the new region with the same parameter as the original (Thickness). Now add two visibility yes/no parameters, one for vertical and one for horizontal. This way when you create a piece of plywood you can select in the object properties whether it should display as vertical or horizontal.

I guess if you want more angles they could be created, too.
Message 10 of 29
SharlaL
in reply to: Anonymous

Has this been resolved yet? All these work around's on our first Revit project are driving me crazy! 

Message 11 of 29
shunt
in reply to: SharlaL

I am on Relese 2013 and it is still an issue.  I just sent a support request to Autodesk prior to reading this.  Still have not heard back but it has only been a few hours.  To have work arounds for this is not a simple solution.  It is not just plywood that it happens on.  We actually had a contractor ask us why we only put the ct tile on two sides.  Turns out the tile on the other two sides the pattern didnt show up because it was in the same direction as the tile.  almost cost us some money if it was not caught in time.  This needs to be figured out by Autodesk.

 

SH

Message 12 of 29
DarylGregoire3375
in reply to: SharlaL

Actually opening the plywood detail family and creating a duplicate filled region with a rotated pattern and aligning it and locking it works great for the time being. Then create two new visibility Yes / No instance parameters to control which one is on and which was is off.

 

The trick is you cannot just rotate the fill pattern in the detail familiy any more than you can in the project file. First you have to modify the actual revit.pat file then you have to import that pat file and apply a pattern to a filled region type. One for the horizontal plywood and one for the vertical plywood fill region type.

 

Below are my two new fill patterns within the *.pat file. Note the only thing that is different are the angles where I simply added 90 degress to the original numbers.

 

These are the metric version BTW

 

*Plywood Horizontal, Wood: Plywood pattern
;%TYPE=DRAFTING
0, 0, 0, 0, 1.2495
315, 0, 0, 0.88353, 0.88353, 1.76706, -1.76706
45, 0, 0, 0.88353, -0.88353, 1.76706, -1.76706

 

*Plywood Vertical, Wood: Plywood pattern
;%TYPE=DRAFTING
90, 0, 0, 0, 1.2495
45, 0, 0, 0.88353, 0.88353, 1.76706, -1.76706
135, 0, 0, 0.88353, -0.88353, 1.76706, -1.76706

Message 13 of 29

I just made a model pattern from an existing pattern by changing = DRAFTING to = MODEL in the Revit.pat file. I made custom plywood pattern from this model hatch definition. You have to use a scale that doesn't give you an error. I used this pattern in my plywood detail family and it works perfectly. I had to align the pattern in the family so it is centered in the plywood.

Message 14 of 29
jmyersRTKL
in reply to: SharlaL

Still doesn't look like it's resolved since the original post in 2007... 

Message 15 of 29
ToanDN
in reply to: SharlaL

I created my own plywood family and pattern to avoid all the troubles.

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Message 16 of 29

ToanDF, When I load in your detail component family file I only see the two ends. The pattern and the other two sides of the rectangle representing the plywood section aren't visible.

Any idea why?


@ToanDN wrote:

I created my own plywood family and pattern to avoid all the troubles.

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Message 17 of 29

The pattern was built based on feet-inch unit.  You are Metric by any chances.

Message 18 of 29
hugha
in reply to: ToanDN

Our HatchKit Add-In for Revit can clone patterns completely within Revit allowing patterns with different scales and rotations to be created on the fly from existing patterns without recourse to originating .PAT text files.  Attributes such as Orientation, Type and Name can also be changed at will.

 

cheers,

 

Hugh Adamson

www.hatchkit.com.au

 

 

 

Message 19 of 29
ndecker7
in reply to: ToanDN

This detail component is a life saver! Thanks you so much for creating this. Do you by chance have the .pat file that you used to make the hatch for this detail component? I want to make some minor adjustments and I can't find the associated .pat file that came with the family you shared.

 

Thanks in advance.

Message 20 of 29
ToanDN
in reply to: ndecker7

See attached.

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