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can't print transparency from floor plan in revit 2013???

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Message 1 of 31
TroppoSA
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can't print transparency from floor plan in revit 2013???

Just came across this issue today: it appears transparency overide (by element or by category) won't be printed from any floor plan views in Revit 2013. Tried elevation/ section/ ceiling plans. all ok. it seems to me that is a bug. anyone out there having the same issue? or I just simply missed something?

 

The work around is to switch the view to wireframe. but not ideal anyway...

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Message 2 of 31
Lance.Coffey
in reply to: TroppoSA

I tried going through the following steps to see what you are describing:
1. Created a new project in Revit Architecture 2013.
2. Drew 4 walls (in a rectangle).
3. Placed a floor (by picking the walls).
4. Modified the material used for the floor (in the Type Properties -> Structure) to have a surface pattern.
5. Placed a couple desks (60"x30").
6. Set graphic override on one of the desks so that it was 100% transparent.

With the view in Hidden line, I could see the surface pattern of the floor through the desk, and I printed the view (Level 1) to PDF, and in the resulting PDF, the desk showed up as expected (transparent).

I also tried placing one of the desks on a lower level, and with the lower level as an underlay, set the floor to be transparent, but I still saw the desk through the transparent floor when printed to PDF.

Revit:

RevitTransparent.png

PDF:

PDF.png

I am attaching the project and PDF for review.

If you print the Level 1 view, in the attached project, to PDF are you seeing a similar PDF?

If the steps above do not represent the type of situation that you are dealing with, please reply with more information on what you are doing.



Lance Coffey

Technical Support Specialist
Message 3 of 31
TroppoSA
in reply to: Lance.Coffey

Lance,

 

Thanks for your reply. It is good to be able to talk to someone from Autodesk directly.

 

The situation is if object is partially covered, transparency override works in print. but if it is fully covered by a transparent object, transperancy won't be printed.

 

Please check the attached rvt, screenshot and pdfs. I added a wall to be completely under the desk in level 1 view and a roof over everything in level 2 view and printed both to pdfs with roof and desk being transparent. please check what results are in pdfs. nothing is showing up as supposed to be. and both use vector processing for the print. in raster processing, it works. The problem for me is 99% of time I use vector processing to print drawings (not images). 

 

I spent some time on digging out what went wrong yesterday. to list what I found as follow:

- it happens only to floor plan views. not others like elevations, sections, 3d etc.

- only when it is completely under something transperant, transparency stop working in print.

- even it is partially covered, transparency still can't be printed properly, likely being printed with broken lines.

- it happens only to vector processing. raster is fine.

 

I believe it shall be easy to fix. but it is vital to me as I need transparency to be working in printing plan views for my daily work.

 

Thanks for your help again!

Message 4 of 31
TroppoSA
in reply to: TroppoSA

here are a pdf of level 2 print and a sample sheet I made to describe the issue more specifically.

 

LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SOLUTIONS! THANKS!

Message 5 of 31
Lance.Coffey
in reply to: TroppoSA

Thank you for the updated files. I am able to reproduce what you are seeing. I also found that the print preview is displaying what shows up on the print output (or PDF) (i.e. the transparency does not show up in the print preview).

This issue has been logged with our development group, and they are working to address it in a future release. Since they are still researching the issue, I don't have information on when or how (as an update, or in the next release cycle) the issue will be addressed.

At this point, it looks like the workaround would be to specify Raster Processing (for the Remove Lines Using setting in the Print Setup).



Lance Coffey

Technical Support Specialist
Message 6 of 31
twm5068
in reply to: Lance.Coffey

Is there an update on when this problem will be addressed? We use 2013 but our files are in older versions and we have problems using those models. Is there any solution to the printing problem that can be used now?

Message 7 of 31
Lance.Coffey
in reply to: twm5068

One workaround that has been mentioned would be to go into the Print Setup dialog (from the main Print dialog), and click the Raster Processing radio button (in the Remove Lines Using) portion of the dialog.

Raster_Processing.png



Lance Coffey

Technical Support Specialist
Message 8 of 31
twm5068
in reply to: Lance.Coffey

I have tried the Raster Image selection and it does work but the lineweights are different causing some confusion. Is there anyway to fix that?

Message 9 of 31
TroppoSA
in reply to: twm5068

Tried with new revit 2013 update 1 yesterday. Unfortunately, the bug is still there. 

Message 10 of 31
posterprinting
in reply to: TroppoSA

Thanks for Sharing

Message 11 of 31
BobbyC.Jones
in reply to: TroppoSA

The problem with the print with raster processing workaround is that it creates huge DWF files...ginormous even.  I am dissapointed that the update didn't address this issue.

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Bobby C. Jones
Message 12 of 31
RadDeering
in reply to: Lance.Coffey

Lance:

 

We are experiencing this issue in our office. Is a solution for vector printing available yet? Printing using raster processing is not a real solution for our office because of the poor drawing quality and larger PDF file size.

 

Rad

 

 

Message 13 of 31
jarrodpirtle
in reply to: TroppoSA

This problem extends to DWG export as well. Unfortunately I can't use the "Raster print" work-around for exporting to DWG. Any suggestions for exporting to CAD?

Message 14 of 31
TroppoSA
in reply to: jarrodpirtle

The possible work-around is to set disipline to structural in the plan views. but it won't work if you are not seeking exporting structural plans. it seems autodesk is too busy to fix this 'small' problem.

Message 15 of 31
jarrodpirtle
in reply to: TroppoSA

As it happens, I'm already working with structural plans and I'm still having the issue. All the plans are set to Structural discipline. I have the floors set to 100% transparent and the structural framing that's partially, or completely under the floors is not shown in the PDF and not exported to DWG.

Message 16 of 31
Lance.Coffey
in reply to: jarrodpirtle

If the structural framing is setup as an underlay in the view, try changing the view discipline to something other than Structural.



Lance Coffey

Technical Support Specialist
Message 17 of 31
AdamVG
in reply to: TroppoSA

The only way to get the transparency to print is to export it as an image. Then i just convert the image to a pdf.

Message 18 of 31
twm5068
in reply to: Lance.Coffey

Any update on a solution or a software fix? We are still having the same problem and are unable to use Revit 2013.

Message 19 of 31
TroppoSA
in reply to: twm5068

A hotfix just came out. download it from here:

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/item?siteID=123112&id=21147820&linkID=9273944

 

Did a couple of quick tests, it worked. so reckon case can be closed here.

Message 20 of 31
danielqu
in reply to: TroppoSA

I am having an issue I just noticed and wonder what I am missing.  It seems this should be working.  One attachment is a screen pic of my compiled view on the sheet itself.  The other is a pdf print of same sheet.  You will note that in the printed pdf does not show what the screen pic does.  Why?  Any input help appreciated.  This seems like this is what the initial post was about, yes?

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