Can't move one wall without moving a nearby unconnected unaligned wall

[aschamen]

Can someone please explain to me what criteria Revit uses when it decides to automatically constrain two or more objects to each other? I thought they needed to be aligned and connected. Well I have an example where two walls are not aligned nor are they connected. I move one wall and a nearby wall that is NOT connected moves as well. NOTHING about these two walls aligns. Not the exterior face. Not the interior face. Not the centerline. They are completely SEPARATE!! I see absolutely NOO reason for changes to one wall affecting the other wall.

Can someone PLEASE explain this confusing arbitrariness???

[aschamen]

Here's the example.

[aschamen]

And by the way, I do know that I can use the Align tool to make the walls align as I want. What this post is about though is information. I want to understand why Revit chose to join these two walls to each other.

[Anonymous]

the walls appear to be joined - right click on the blue grip (top of image)
and select 'disallow join' - then move the wall.

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Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
wrote in message news:5713869@discussion.autodesk.com...
Here's the example.

[Anonymous]

why?
who really knows?
my guess is the developers probably saw the majority of users wanting a
majority of building elements to stay 'connected' or maintain adjacencies
more times than not. so the default is 'connected'. would it be ideal to
globally turn this behavior off on a model? i'm not sure.

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Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
wrote in message news:5713903@discussion.autodesk.com...
And by the way, I do know that I can use the Align tool to make the walls
align as I want. What this post is about though is information. I want to
understand why Revit chose to join these two walls to each other.

[aschamen]

The walls aren't joined. Maybe the image wasn't as clear as I hoped. The BOTTOM wall across the corridor is the one that I am trying NOT to move. That's the one that in the left drawing is dimensioned 9 1/2". The other two walls dimensioned as 9 3/4" are joined and should move together. (One is going to be demolished. That's why there are two.)

And I don't like using the Move command. You have to be extra careful. There are too many ways to screw things up that way. Too many snaps and there's the possibility that you aren't moving the object orthogonally, or if you need to move it at an angle it's even harder to do it accurately. I always prefer to use the Align tool or to use a dimension.

The align tool works in this case, but again, that's not what this post is about. I want to know WHY.

[aschamen]

But the walls aren't adjacent.

[Anonymous]

i took a closer look at your image and now see what you are referring to.
are these the only walls in this model - (are there other walls above or
below these on other levels?)
how were the walls created? 2pick or single from a linked file? maybe
single pick from walls below?

the behavior you question seems to be related to something we can't see.
one would need to know more about the model to help you here.
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Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
wrote in message news:5713929@discussion.autodesk.com...
But the walls aren't adjacent.

[aschamen]

I'm not entirely sure since I didn't do it, but I suspect that they were traced (single pick?) from a linked AutoCAD file. There aren't walls above nor are there any below. There are walls in other phases, but this is the Existing (earliest) phase. None of the other walls in the other phases exist as far as these walls know.

[Anonymous]

if you 'didn't' do it then who knows how it was modeled and what intent was
built in - either on purpose or inadvertently?

still not helping but if you really care - test model the same condition and
see if it behaves the same (i bet it will not).

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Brian Earsley
www.arete3.com
18645 South West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Illinois 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
wrote in message news:5713995@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm not entirely sure since I didn't do it, but I suspect that they were
traced (single pick?) from a linked AutoCAD file. There aren't walls above
nor are there any below. There are walls in other phases, but this is the
Existing (earliest) phase. None of the other walls in the other phases
exist as far as these walls know.

[Anonymous]

just use the move tool with unjoin checked in the options bar. Since you
didnt build this model, maybe another view has a constraint on the wall.
Could be an elevation, or a section. Using Move with Unjoin will break the
constraint.

wrote in message news:5713995@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm not entirely sure since I didn't do it, but I suspect that they were
traced (single pick?) from a linked AutoCAD file. There aren't walls above
nor are there any below. There are walls in other phases, but this is the
Existing (earliest) phase. None of the other walls in the other phases
exist as far as these walls know.

[bartek.calka]

Hi All,
Anyone found out what the issue was about? I'm having same problem in Revit 2017 walls moves with neighbour walls when using allign tool...

https://youtu.be/tPSBZbGOx08

Kind Regards

Bartek