Automatic Construction Documents

[Anonymous]

autodesk says the construction documents
are created directly from the model and
if the model is correct then the drawings
are automatically correct..

i don't know what question to begin
with but i am trying to understand this
relationship between the model and the
construction documents..

when i mass a building and put walls and
doors and windows and design its interior
and render the whole thing- HOW does this
"automatically" produce construction
documents?

ANY comments on this please..

[Anonymous]

If you model the building correctly then plans, elevations and sections
derived from the model should be correct. You still will have to dimension,
note, and detail them as well as create sheets to place the all of the
views. So there is still alot of work to do but you do not have to redraw
the various plans, elevations and sections.

If you think that once a model is created all you have to do is just hit a
button and construction drawings are automatically created and completed, no
that does not happen.

wrote in message news:5730556@discussion.autodesk.com...
autodesk says the construction documents
are created directly from the model and
if the model is correct then the drawings
are automatically correct..

i don't know what question to begin
with but i am trying to understand this
relationship between the model and the
construction documents..

when i mass a building and put walls and
doors and windows and design its interior
and render the whole thing- HOW does this
"automatically" produce construction
documents?

ANY comments on this please..

[Anonymous]

thanks cdv- the way you say it makes so
much sense i should have already seen it..

also does this make sense to you:
most architects probably know how
to pull a revit model together
(either starting from massing or
just building the walls up) in order
to present to a client and get agreement-
but although that model might be all
that's needed to complete the design
stage- it may not be the correct model
that autodesk speaks of as neccessary to
give the construction document stage
what is needed to "automatically"
produce CDs.. i'm not arguing with the
word automatic- it's okay- but don't
you think a revit drafter that only
does CDs would also have to know how
to "clean up" that model to prepare
it for the CD stage?
i assume this would make sense but
i would just like to get your
perspective on it.. thanks

[Anonymous]

As a Revit Drafter it is part of my job clean up the model while going to CD's. It seems like a lot of redundant work, most of the time I would rather take the Architect's design and just start building a new model from scratch so I know there will be no surprises later. Until the Architect has to complete a project from design to CD's there is no way of knowing which model building techniques best "automatically" creates CD's. Its all a matter of practice.

[Anonymous]

thanks for the valuable insight twewer..
i hope to be doing what you are doing soon..
i can just imagine where the architect may
not care to know anymore about using
revit than what they need to put together
a model to show their client.. and that
might be far removed from what is needed
to automatically generate basic CDs..
but you don't mean you would LITERALLY
re-create their model from scratch?
of course if the architect is paying you
then it might benifit them to get the model
more accurate..
boy how i could pick somebodys' brain that
is a revit drafter doing construction documents
for architects that are creating the revit model.. lol

[Anonymous]

"alot of work"
this time is directly related to the level of detail required for the set,
the level of families available, and how advanced your template is.

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"cdv" wrote in message
news:5730594@discussion.autodesk.com...
If you model the building correctly then plans, elevations and sections
derived from the model should be correct. You still will have to dimension,
note, and detail them as well as create sheets to place the all of the
views. So there is still alot of work to do but you do not have to redraw
the various plans, elevations and sections.

If you think that once a model is created all you have to do is just hit a
button and construction drawings are automatically created and completed, no
that does not happen.

wrote in message news:5730556@discussion.autodesk.com...
autodesk says the construction documents
are created directly from the model and
if the model is correct then the drawings
are automatically correct..

i don't know what question to begin
with but i am trying to understand this
relationship between the model and the
construction documents..

when i mass a building and put walls and
doors and windows and design its interior
and render the whole thing- HOW does this
"automatically" produce construction
documents?

ANY comments on this please..

[Anonymous]

vector1: I can't speak for all architects but for me coming from originally
producing documents by hand and then autocad, architectural desktop, and now
with revit it has been like a breath of fresh air. I am always trying to
think of ways that will make it easier for me to create project documents.
When I started using revit Iwas already thinking about creating CD',s so
from my perspective, revit has given me an extra ability to show clients 3D
images and provide other building and space related information quickly and
seamlessly without much additonal effort on my part. Creating my building
whether by walls or models correctly, in the end helps me create better
documents without having to redraw stuff. What I have noticed is that it is
really beneficial to understand how buildings are put together when using
revit in order to acheive the best results other wise there will be alot of
cleaning up required as you move into CD's.

If you are creating CD's from someone else's revit models then, yes you may
have "clean it up" in order to create a set of CD's but use caution and
always talk over any changes with the architect so that design intent is not
altered, additionaly, they may have a different opinion as to how details
should be approached. Hope this helps.

wrote in message news:5730672@discussion.autodesk.com...
thanks cdv- the way you say it makes so
much sense i should have already seen it..

also does this make sense to you:
most architects probably know how
to pull a revit model together
(either starting from massing or
just building the walls up) in order
to present to a client and get agreement-
but although that model might be all
that's needed to complete the design
stage- it may not be the correct model
that autodesk speaks of as neccessary to
give the construction document stage
what is needed to "automatically"
produce CDs.. i'm not arguing with the
word automatic- it's okay- but don't
you think a revit drafter that only
does CDs would also have to know how
to "clean up" that model to prepare
it for the CD stage?
i assume this would make sense but
i would just like to get your
perspective on it.. thanks

[Anonymous]

Fortunately I've learned to anticipate what needs to be changed when I receive a model from the Architects I work with, but as was stated in the previous post they pretty much only learn what they need to complete their design without planning ahead to the CD's. I create families, detail components and add to our template, but if the Architects don't know how to use these things or modify them correctly to do what they want, then they're useless to them. It really is all about planning, every part of the model should be used for the CD's. Now how to get everyone using Revit to think that far ahead is proving to be too difficult a task for me.

[Anonymous]

Yes there are times when the amount of clean-up exceeds the time it would take to re-create the entire model. I know its a matter of getting the Architects better trained in the program but that's another issue.