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QTO to Timberline Integration

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Message 1 of 18
d_galloway
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QTO to Timberline Integration

I'm continuously getting an error (Autodesk.Takeoff has stopped working) when starting with or importing our Timberline Means Database. Only the sample databases that come with the program will work. Has anyone come across this?

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Message 2 of 18
john.lipp
in reply to: d_galloway

Hi d_galloway


The Timberline plugin is built and supported by Sage. I recommend checking with Sage to see if you are on the latest version of their plugin.


Best regards,



John Lipp
Support Specialist
Product Support
Autodesk, Inc.

Message 3 of 18
d_galloway
in reply to: john.lipp

We've contacted Sage, they don't produce or support the plug-in. Does anyone know who does produce it or support it?

Message 4 of 18
john.lipp
in reply to: d_galloway

Hi d_galloway


What version (2011, 2012) of QTO do you have installed and do you have the latest hotfixes installed?

You can find the hotfixes here:

 - http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/dl/index?siteID=123112&id=2334435&linkID=10381885 

If you are on QTO 2012, I recommend installing hotfix 1 and then hotfix 2 (which requires hotfix1 to be installed)

Also, which version of Sage Timeberline is installed. Please post a screenshot of the window that opens after selecting Help > About in the application.

What version of the DLL of the timberline plugin is installed?  Assuming you are running QTO 2012, open
C:\Program Files (x86)\Autodesk\Quantity Takeoff 2012\Plugins and you should find a dll with "Timberline" included in the filename.  Please right click the file and select Properties.  In the properties window, select the details tab and please send a screenshot of the window.


Best regards,



John Lipp
Support Specialist
Product Support
Autodesk, Inc.

Message 5 of 18
d_galloway
in reply to: john.lipp

Hi John,

Thanks for the follow up.

We're running QTO 2012 and have both hotfixes 1 & 2 installed along with Timberline 9.7.Timberline & Plug-in Versions.png

Message 6 of 18
john.lipp
in reply to: d_galloway

Hi d_galloway

How many records are in the catalog that you are trying to import.  If you simply it or create a new catalog with a couple records from scratch, does that catalog import correctly?

I’m unsure if Timberline is able to import these catalogs that they export back in, but if so, does this result in any errors in Timberline?

Would you be able to post the file or a non-sensitive one that has the same issue?


Best regards,



John Lipp
Support Specialist
Product Support
Autodesk, Inc.

Message 7 of 18
d_galloway
in reply to: john.lipp

John,

 

I've talked with our management & we can't post the database in a public forum but would like to continue working through this with you. Is it possible to commuicate live through joinme or webex which gives you the ability to view my screen and have discussion. I'd continue to post our results for use within the forum.

 

Our Timberline database is a large compilation of various files & folders totalling 189 mb in size. We haven't had any issues in Timberline with the database. Simply can't pull it into QTO.

 

Thanks

Message 8 of 18
david.heath
in reply to: john.lipp

I downloaded the free trial of QTO 2013 yesterday to see if it could provide a more efficient workflow for my estimating department than our current workflow.

 

I have surfed around the web to little avail on how to link a Timberline Database with Autodesk QTO.  I’m running Sage Timberline Office Estimating - Extended Edition 9.7 (9.7.0 Rev 1 CD) and Autodesk QTO 2013. 

 

The initial problem is when going to File>Import>Catalog – QTO does not seem to accept any Sage database files (at least not in their native format).  I read that there was a plug-in (but the only one that I found was for 2012 compatible plugin that gives me an error message "No applicable products were found on this machine.  You must have Autodesk QTO installed before you can apply this update.  Please install Autodesk QTO and then run this update again.  This update will not be applied".

 

A brief summary on how to get up and running with QTO & Sage Timberline would be much appreciated!

Message 9 of 18
mpetrucci
in reply to: d_galloway

These files will work correctly with QTO 2013.  Place in this folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\Autodesk\Quantity Takeoff 2013\Plugins

Start QTO 2013 can you can import Timberline PEI.DAT file

Message 10 of 18
stahci
in reply to: david.heath

I agree some direction with how to do this would be helpful! I have yet to even find a download for the plugins. I tried to put those plugin files provided above into the plugin folder, the program did not recognize them being there after restarting. Please adivse on how to get this feature operational.

 

Thanks

Message 11 of 18
stahci
in reply to: stahci

Anyone have any breakthrough on this? I have been unable to get this integration to work.

Message 12 of 18
Mark.Petrucci
in reply to: d_galloway

After you extract files to correct folder, start QTO. Import a new catalog, do you see the option to import a Timberline database file or is this option not available?
Message 13 of 18
stahci
in reply to: Mark.Petrucci

The option is still not available after placings the files in the proper folder.

Message 14 of 18
Carolyang
in reply to: david.heath

I've come across the exact same problem. Do you have any solutions right now? Thank you very much!

Message 15 of 18
stahci
in reply to: d_galloway

Sorry but I have not recieved any answers from Autodesk

Message 16 of 18
stahci
in reply to: stahci

BUMP

 

Autodesk..... Are you there? 

 

It would be helpful if we could get some feedback and direction. It is very frustrating when one of the huge features of the software is unable to work properly. I think it shows a lot about the rest of the product as a whole lacking. 

Message 17 of 18
kenny.deemer
in reply to: stahci

So I got this thing to work for QTO 2013 after much of the same frustrations as above. Here is what I did:

 

Pasted the above .dll's in the plugins folder. For the Timberline.dll

right clicked, select properties, in the properties window go to the security tab. (In my case I had three security groups or names, one of which was "Users" I noticed this group did not have full control.) To change this select edit and check full control in the appropiate box, select apply.

 

Now select the general tab.

At the very bottom under attributes there may be a button that says "unblock" select this and hit apply and OK to exit.

 

Do this same procedure to the Interop>PEDataObj.dll

 

This worked for me.

 

QTO 2013 is the last of its species, since "takeoff" has been moved to Navisworks. I've been involved with QTO for a long time and have a love, hate relationship with it. It had so much promise, but so little support.  It just was lokign for the push that never came.  From what I've seen in the Navis version, were back to square 1 or maybe before that.

 

Hope you get this thing working.

Message 18 of 18
kenny.deemer
in reply to: kenny.deemer

So I might have to go back on some of my comments from the post above.  I just revisted Navis 2014,and the quantification features. A lot of the QTO fetures are there, just in different places,or require a different sequence. You can also load 2D DWF documents in  an do a cross-check (this is a bit weird, it doesn't highlight, but erases)

 

Quirks or at leas I think they are quirky

  • Selcting from the moderl tree. You have to dig a level down from from what you think to get quantities to appear
  • Item and Resource Catalog are kind of the same thing. I typically don't build an assembly in my takeoff software.
  • Show hide takeoff button, still not sure if this is good or bad. Works weird with 2d sheets.
  • You can takeoff from 2d sheets, but you get no quantities. maybe I'm doing it wrong or not selecting the right stuff.

 

Missing things

 

  • I really liked the search takeoff interface in QTO, simple check boxes. Navis has a search to but It looks powerfull, need more research on my part. I thik search sets are the way to go here.
  • 2D sheet takeoff. I think this is coming in 2015. 
  • All in model takeoff. QTO had the do it all at once button some times it was easier to uset this button and delete what you didn't want
  • Zoom to object in a 2D sheet. Maybe Navis does this, but I'm not to strog with the program.
  • Revit shedules still have more power in some instances. I think it's something with shared, type, or instance parameters not coming through.

Things I like

  • Drag and drop takeoff, pretty awesome.
  • The item catalog exel sheet.  Nice VBA code work to automate this.  I'll be "borrowing" this for some other special projects.
  • Premade Pivot table reports. I always made pivots of my QTO,or any takeoff, one less step. (i'm seeing a pretty good workflow here to get dat to 3rd party estimates. Linking tables in access, etc.)
  • Search sets for takeoff, I think this is going to be big.
  • Stability, Navis just is more stable, or I perceive it to be.

Overall if it gets developement attention it could be great. 

 

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