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PDF black and gray lines

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06-14-2003 03:11 PM
I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have black
and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I need to
set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black lines? I
can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.

Any hints?

Thanks in advance.
*White, Ian A.
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Re: PDF black and gray lines

06-14-2003 03:40 PM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:11:28 -0700, "Thumbs2u"
wrote:

>I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have black
>and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I need to
>set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black lines? I
>can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.
>
>Any hints?

Unless you can set the printer to merge lines and Acrobat honours this
setting, the only other way is to use DRAWORDER and send the grey to the
back.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
*Thumbs2u
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06-15-2003 12:33 AM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
Ian,
I've changed the Adobe PDF.PC3 properties/ device and property settings/
graphics/ merge control settings to both "merge" and "overwrite", without
any noticeable change in it's preview.
There's also a "color" and "black and white" setting in Acrobat that has no
effect.
My PDF output is in Acrobat 5 format (so my local print shop can handle it).
Any other settings I should check?
Thanks again,


"Ian A. White" wrote in message
news:i45oevc5e80atd92um65tu61ooq0fpq7et@4ax.com...
>
> Unless you can set the printer to merge lines and Acrobat honours this
> setting, the only other way is to use DRAWORDER and send the grey to the
> back.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian A. White, CPEng
> ianwhite@wai.com.au
> WAI Engineering
> Sydney 2000
> Australia
>
> Ph: +61 418 203 229
> Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
> Home Page: www.wai.com.au
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:11:28 -0700, "Thumbs2u"
> wrote:
>
> >I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have
black
> >and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I need
to
> >set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black lines? I
> >can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.
> >
> >Any hints?
*White, Ian A.
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Re:

06-15-2003 06:12 AM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:33:18 -0700, "Thumbs2u"
wrote:

>Ian,
>I've changed the Adobe PDF.PC3 properties/ device and property settings/
>graphics/ merge control settings to both "merge" and "overwrite", without
>any noticeable change in it's preview.
>There's also a "color" and "black and white" setting in Acrobat that has no
>effect.
>My PDF output is in Acrobat 5 format (so my local print shop can handle it).
>Any other settings I should check?

I generate PDF's by creating an EPS file and then processing it through
GhostScript with GSView. I do know that when generating an EPS file,
merge control is ignored and I have to use the DRAWORDER command to send
such items to the back.

--

Regards,

Ian A. White, CPEng
ianwhite@wai.com.au
WAI Engineering
Sydney 2000
Australia

Ph: +61 418 203 229
Fax: +61 2 9622 0450
Home Page: www.wai.com.au
*CADzation, Rodney McManamy -
Message 5 of 8 (312 Views)

Re: PDF black and gray lines

06-15-2003 08:36 PM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
Even though the lines merge option is available in the PDF drivers it's not
supported in the PDF format. Actually I think that the problem is that the
PDF Viewer which doesn't support it because in the PDF file the lines are
stored as lines so it would be up to the viewer to support the lines merge
when either viewing or printing. But the lines merge with any other office
document or graphic format would not work which is why Adobe Doesn't support
because CAD is a small piece of Adobe's market.

It should be easy enough to write a lisp app that moves the black lines to
the top of the draw order or move all of the gray lines down a negative
distance.

Also if you have any spare time and want to try our conversion software at
www.cadzation.com I would be interested in how you think it compares to
Acrobat 6.0. From what I can see of Acrobat 6.0 just about any of the 3rd
Party AutoCAD to PDF software programs run circles around it when you're
converting multiple files.

Thanks,

--
Rodney McManamy
President
CADzation
www.cadzation.com
AcroPlot - The easy way to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to PDF.
rmcmanamy@cadzation.com

"Thumbs2u" wrote in message
news:6E1A5C95E8CF9A1DE2C64E4B914010D3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have
black
> and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I need
to
> set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black lines? I
> can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.
>
> Any hints?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
*Saadallah, Dean
Message 6 of 8 (312 Views)

Re: PDF black and gray lines

06-16-2003 12:55 AM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
DrawOrder in AutoCAD to fix what's on top, then print to PDF: that file
format does not support line merge as set in AutoCAD.

--
Dean Saadallah
--
*Thumbs2u
Message 7 of 8 (312 Views)

Re:

06-17-2003 01:13 AM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
Rodney,
Adobe needs to do some work with Acrobat V6 Pro and Acad 2004 integration,
as well as this merge issue. Does the gray over black occur with your PDF
writing software?
I've been using the "publish" command to plot multiple drawing files and
projects to PDF files, which seems to work nicely.
Jim


"Rodney McManamy - CADzation" wrote in message
news:A604101512CBBDB7650E9F6FAA0638B4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Even though the lines merge option is available in the PDF drivers it's
not
> supported in the PDF format. Actually I think that the problem is that
the
> PDF Viewer which doesn't support it because in the PDF file the lines are
> stored as lines so it would be up to the viewer to support the lines merge
> when either viewing or printing. But the lines merge with any other
office
> document or graphic format would not work which is why Adobe Doesn't
support
> because CAD is a small piece of Adobe's market.
>
> It should be easy enough to write a lisp app that moves the black lines to
> the top of the draw order or move all of the gray lines down a negative
> distance.
>
> Also if you have any spare time and want to try our conversion software at
> www.cadzation.com I would be interested in how you think it compares to
> Acrobat 6.0. From what I can see of Acrobat 6.0 just about any of the 3rd
> Party AutoCAD to PDF software programs run circles around it when you're
> converting multiple files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Rodney McManamy
> President
> CADzation
> www.cadzation.com
> AcroPlot - The easy way to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to PDF.
> rmcmanamy@cadzation.com
>
> "Thumbs2u" wrote in message
> news:6E1A5C95E8CF9A1DE2C64E4B914010D3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have
> black
> > and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I
need
> to
> > set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black lines?
I
> > can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.
> >
> > Any hints?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
>
>
*CADzation, Rodney McManamy -
Message 8 of 8 (312 Views)

Re:

06-17-2003 06:12 AM in reply to: *Thumbs2u
Yes it does have the problem because it still uses AutoCAD to do the
plotting. There are some ways around it like moving the lines up in the
draworder or in the z coordinate but I've been so busy I've never had time
to look into it plus I don't think there is a general solution for all
users, it would have to be on a company by company basis. But it would be
easy enough to do with a lisp routine.

Try ours out and let me know what you think. I never liked the publish
command which is why I originally wrote this plus it does way more than the
Publish command does because it can merge them all together and add the
bookmarks at once for you.


--
Rodney McManamy
President
CADzation
www.cadzation.com
AcroPlot - The easy way to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to PDF.
rmcmanamy@cadzation.com

"Thumbs2u" wrote in message
news:E5104339E734BE1263F014E773A8AFE1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Rodney,
> Adobe needs to do some work with Acrobat V6 Pro and Acad 2004 integration,
> as well as this merge issue. Does the gray over black occur with your PDF
> writing software?
> I've been using the "publish" command to plot multiple drawing files and
> projects to PDF files, which seems to work nicely.
> Jim
>
>
> "Rodney McManamy - CADzation" wrote in message
> news:A604101512CBBDB7650E9F6FAA0638B4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Even though the lines merge option is available in the PDF drivers it's
> not
> > supported in the PDF format. Actually I think that the problem is that
> the
> > PDF Viewer which doesn't support it because in the PDF file the lines
are
> > stored as lines so it would be up to the viewer to support the lines
merge
> > when either viewing or printing. But the lines merge with any other
> office
> > document or graphic format would not work which is why Adobe Doesn't
> support
> > because CAD is a small piece of Adobe's market.
> >
> > It should be easy enough to write a lisp app that moves the black lines
to
> > the top of the draw order or move all of the gray lines down a negative
> > distance.
> >
> > Also if you have any spare time and want to try our conversion software
at
> > www.cadzation.com I would be interested in how you think it compares to
> > Acrobat 6.0. From what I can see of Acrobat 6.0 just about any of the
3rd
> > Party AutoCAD to PDF software programs run circles around it when you're
> > converting multiple files.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Rodney McManamy
> > President
> > CADzation
> > www.cadzation.com
> > AcroPlot - The easy way to convert multiple AutoCAD and Word files to
PDF.
> > rmcmanamy@cadzation.com
> >
> > "Thumbs2u" wrote in message
> > news:6E1A5C95E8CF9A1DE2C64E4B914010D3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > I'm creating PDF files from Acad 2002 and 2004 using Acrobat 6. I have
> > black
> > > and gray (50% screened) lines in the construction drawing. What do I
> need
> > to
> > > set in acrobat so that gray lines will not print on top of black
lines?
> I
> > > can sometimes change the draw order, but this is time consuming.
> > >
> > > Any hints?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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