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*Young, Darren J.
Message 1 of 15 (90 Views)

ADN Membership Level

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12-30-2002 04:45 AM
I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
level for 2003. I'm not sure the extra cost of the professional level is
something I can justify with the amount of times I use ADN's DevHelp and
actually get a helpful answer.


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Darren J. Young
dyoung@mcwi.com

Autodesk Developer Network
AUGI Inventor Product Chair

Minnesota CADWorks, Inc.
PO Box 1172
Monticello, Minnesota 55362-1172
(763) 295-4433
http://www.mcwi.com
ftp://ftp.mcwi.com
*Dotson, Terry W.
Message 2 of 15 (90 Views)

Re: ADN Membership Level

12-30-2002 08:20 AM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
"Darren J. Young" wrote:

> I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription

Basic. If I didn't need to test on multiple 'flavors' like ADT, LDD, I
would just buy an end user license.

Terry
*Jaime
Message 3 of 15 (90 Views)

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12-30-2002 09:09 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
why not find ppl with end user lics already for adt/ldd to test for you?

Jaime

"Terry W. Dotson" wrote in message
news:3E10E2E7.844D1FAF@dotsoft.com...
> "Darren J. Young" wrote:
>
> > I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
>
> Basic. If I didn't need to test on multiple 'flavors' like ADT, LDD, I
> would just buy an end user license.
>
> Terry
*Young, Darren J.
Message 4 of 15 (90 Views)

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12-30-2002 11:26 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
> why not find ppl with end user lics already for adt/ldd to test for you?

By test I'm sure he meant development as well. Can't write an ADT app or
debug it verry well if you've never seen our encountered it yourself.


--

Darren J. Young
dyoung@mcwi.com

Autodesk Developer Network
AUGI Inventor Product Chair

Minnesota CADWorks, Inc.
PO Box 1172
Monticello, Minnesota 55362-1172
(763) 295-4433
http://www.mcwi.com
ftp://ftp.mcwi.com
*Young, Darren J.
Message 5 of 15 (90 Views)

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12-30-2002 11:28 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
> > I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
>
> Basic. If I didn't need to test on multiple 'flavors' like ADT, LDD, I
> would just buy an end user license.

Thanks Terry. That's how I'm leaning. Doesn't seem that anything but the
most basic questions are answered without a lot of patience and
persistance with ADN. I can't say paying double for quick incorrect
answers is something that appeals to me. ;-)


--

Darren J. Young
dyoung@mcwi.com

Autodesk Developer Network
AUGI Inventor Product Chair

Minnesota CADWorks, Inc.
PO Box 1172
Monticello, Minnesota 55362-1172
(763) 295-4433
http://www.mcwi.com
ftp://ftp.mcwi.com
*Blattel, Byron
Message 6 of 15 (90 Views)

Re: ADN Membership Level

12-30-2002 11:28 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
Darren J. Young wrote:
> I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
> level for 2003. I'm not sure the extra cost of the professional level is
> something I can justify with the amount of times I use ADN's DevHelp and
> actually get a helpful answer.
>
>

Basic as well for me.

I guess I'm not alone in feeling underwhelmed by DevHelp :smileywink:

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| Byron Blattel
| CADwerx---Applications for AutoCAD
| Autodesk Registered Developer
| email: byron@cadwerx.net
| web site: http://www.cadwerx.net
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*Jaime
Message 7 of 15 (90 Views)

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12-30-2002 11:30 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
after all..thast what this newsgroup is for :smileyhappy:

Jaime

"Darren J. Young" wrote in message
news:MPG.187b738043bc0ce198983b@discussion.autodesk.com...
> > > I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
> >
> > Basic. If I didn't need to test on multiple 'flavors' like ADT, LDD, I
> > would just buy an end user license.
>
> Thanks Terry. That's how I'm leaning. Doesn't seem that anything but the
> most basic questions are answered without a lot of patience and
> persistance with ADN. I can't say paying double for quick incorrect
> answers is something that appeals to me. ;-)
>
>
> --
>
> Darren J. Young
> dyoung@mcwi.com
>
> Autodesk Developer Network
> AUGI Inventor Product Chair
>
> Minnesota CADWorks, Inc.
> PO Box 1172
> Monticello, Minnesota 55362-1172
> (763) 295-4433
> http://www.mcwi.com
> ftp://ftp.mcwi.com
*Wengerd, Owen
Message 8 of 15 (90 Views)

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12-31-2002 02:32 AM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
> I guess I'm not alone in feeling underwhelmed by DevHelp :smileywink:

I'd just like to add that programmers like Byron and Darren feeling
underwhelmed by DevHelp should not be construed as an insult to the guys
answering the questions. I think the DevHelp folks are very knowledgeable,
and doing an excellent job for typical developers. It's just that many of
you are so advanced that you only ask questions that are extremely difficult
to answer.

I suggested several years ago that they should add a field in their
internal database for the skill level of each member. This determination
could evolve over time from experience with the depth and clarity of
questions and followup communications. This would eliminate some of the
initial confusion faced by any support tech when answering questions without
knowing the skill level of the person asking the question. It might also be
used to automatically kick questions by the most skilled developers directly
to the most skilled techs.

In any case, when highly skilled developers bang their head against a
brick wall for 2 weeks, then finally ask DevHelp to solve the problem, it
should come as no surprise when answers don't come easily. :smileyhappy:
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Owen Wengerd
President, ManuSoft ==> http://www.manusoft.com
VP Americas, CADLock, Inc. ==> http://www.cadlock.com
*D'Arcy, Gary
Message 9 of 15 (90 Views)

Re: ADN Membership Level

12-31-2002 09:46 PM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
Darren,

I just don't like the fine print and when it gets called in
it makes you do the maccerrana!

Gary.
www.drcauto.com

Anyway Tryoneall gives me all the support I need.


"Darren J. Young" wrote in message
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> I'm curious what other ADN members are doing for their subscription
*Young, Darren J.
Message 10 of 15 (90 Views)

Re:

01-02-2003 01:59 AM in reply to: *Young, Darren J.
> > I guess I'm not alone in feeling underwhelmed by DevHelp :smileywink:
>
> I'd just like to add that programmers like Byron and Darren feeling
> underwhelmed by DevHelp should not be construed as an insult to the guys
> answering the questions. I think the DevHelp folks are very knowledgeable,
> and doing an excellent job for typical developers. It's just that many of
> you are so advanced that you only ask questions that are extremely difficult
> to answer.

I'd just like to add that I think Owen's *OVER* estimating my
programming expertise. But thanks for the compliment! ;-)

> I suggested several years ago that they should add a field in their
> internal database for the skill level of each member. This determination
> could evolve over time from experience with the depth and clarity of
> questions and followup communications. This would eliminate some of the
> initial confusion faced by any support tech when answering questions without
> knowing the skill level of the person asking the question. It might also be
> used to automatically kick questions by the most skilled developers directly
> to the most skilled techs.
>
> In any case, when highly skilled developers bang their head against a
> brick wall for 2 weeks, then finally ask DevHelp to solve the problem, it
> should come as no surprise when answers don't come easily. :smileyhappy:

I understand what your saying Owen. There are a lot of good folks at
DevHelp. I've received excelent support on Inventor related topics as an
example. However, there are a number of instances where I've felt the
help (Mainly AutoCAD related) was just a quick "off the top of my head"
response and was incorrect or didn't address the question at all. But
perhaps I could do a better job explaining what I'm after.




--

Darren J. Young
dyoung@mcwi.com

Autodesk Developer Network
AUGI Inventor Product Chair

Minnesota CADWorks, Inc.
PO Box 1172
Monticello, Minnesota 55362-1172
(763) 295-4433
http://www.mcwi.com
ftp://ftp.mcwi.com
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