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coviepresb1647
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Message 51 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-02-2008 11:11 AM in reply to: sjbosley
That's been my experience as I don't consider myself to be an Inventor or MDT expert yet and am working with relatively simple models. Yet my more experienced colleagues in my organization have found Inventor to be superior with complex models.
*Alex
Message 52 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-02-2008 11:11 AM in reply to: sjbosley

HERE WE GO AGAIN :smileysad:  :smileysad: 
:smileysad: 


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I
have used MDT and Inventor though not for a very long time. However, in using
both, I believe that MDT is not superior to Inventor. I have also talked with
my colleagues who have used both for a significantly longer time than I have,
and they also believe that Inventor is superior to MDT. To create a simple
model and drawing in Inventor is far more user friendly and easier in Inventor
than MDT.
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coviepresb1647
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Message 53 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-02-2008 11:22 AM in reply to: sjbosley
Is there another previous Autodesk Discussion Group thread on predominantly on MDT vs. IV? If so, then I will cease here and look there.
*Aug
Message 54 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-02-2008 11:38 AM in reply to: sjbosley

I've done straight up tests with experienced users
running both IV and MDT. The MDT users finish in about half the time with half
the overall file size (hard to compare cause IV inevitably has numerous files
for a single project no matter how simple).

MDT also produces much more legible drawings due to
the power of the program to develop drawings.

 

IV is fun but we're not in the business for the
fun. We need productivity!!

 

IMHO
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coviepresb1647
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Message 55 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-02-2008 02:19 PM in reply to: sjbosley
I refer you back to the thread to which you immediately replied (my question). What is your answer to my question which is not about proving MDT over IV or IV over MDT but whether there is another previous thread discussion that addresses MDT vs. IV? Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM
*Werben Robert Davis
Message 56 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-03-2008 07:53 AM in reply to: sjbosley
> I believe that MDT is not superior to Inventor.
> I have also talked with my colleagues who have
> used both for a significantly longer time

Which would be 2nd or 3rd semester students?

> an Inventor or MDT expert

Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit.

> Is there another previous Autodesk Discussion Group
> thread on predominantly on MDT vs. IV?

Have you searched? Wet behind the ears newbies should
restrict themselves to such activity until they're
knowledgable enough to participate.
(see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)

Talk is cheap and I do sometimes enjoy it:

How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone else
what's best for them?

How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program or
another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment? Is UG/NX6 superior
to NX3? What version is GM using? How far do you have to extrapolate to
get to switching to completely different programs and modeling paradigms?

Why would anyone do either?
Are they addressing their end user business competitors?
An audience among which they hope are future candidates for a sale?
Just think they know something and want to express it?

Did you purchase the software you are talking about?
Not evaluate.
Not a student copy.
Not a freebie Not_For_Resale copy.
Not issue a PO.
Your money.

Do you earn a living using the software?
Doing what?
For whom?
Where may examples of your work be found?
Examples of anything you've done?

Talk is cheap. If you think IV is better demonstrate it.
Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion.
Another beer can laying beside the disinformation highway.

(BTW where HAS Robert been? Hope he's doing well. One of
the last surviving long time 'good guys' IMO.)
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c.henry
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Message 57 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-03-2008 08:54 AM in reply to: sjbosley
this is the best thread since " vellum versus mylar "
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coviepresb1647
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Message 58 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-03-2008 09:49 AM in reply to: sjbosley
Your insulting, offensive reply deserves no comment other than this.

"Which would be 2nd or 3rd semester students?"

My colleagues are mechanical designers that have worked 20+ years for a defense organization and are not college students.

"Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit"

No, a novice is a learners permit. An expert is a professional motor racer. I am neither a novice nor an expert.

"Have you searched?"

Yes, as I implied by my original question, I have searched and found no other thread that is predominantly on MDT vs. IV.

"Wet behind the ears newbies should restrict themselves to such activity until they're knowledgable enough to participate. (see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)"

Wrong. First, I am not a novice. Second, novice can participate although they may and should share other's more experienced input that they have learned or heard.

"How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone else what's best for them?"

LOL. I am not the one that's doing the getting-off here. From your insults, it strongly appears that you are telling me what's best for me and from the intensity, are the one getting off. Then again, what you are saying is erroneous since you are already mistaken on what I said and from where I'm coming.

"How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program or another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment?"

How does anyone other than a complete idiot come to an false conclusion to another's post and then from his/her own mistaken understanding, proceed to issue insulting, unsubtantiated virtriol against that other person? Have you asked sincere questions before issuing your vitriol? As I have ALREADY admitted, I don't have much experience with Inventor or MDT. Hence, I am sharing my more experienced colleagues' real-world work experiences with IV and MDT. Two others here claimed they can write pages and pages showing MDT over IV and they have yet to step up to plate here or in another thread.

"Do you earn a living using the software?"

Yes.

"Doing what?"

A Mechanical Engineer

"For whom?"

A defense organization

"Where may examples of your work be found?"

Due to the sensitive nature of our work, they can be found on our organization's Vault and other servers. The assets produced from those models and drawings can also be found rolling, flying, piloting, or roboting along in the Army, Navy, and other non-defence government agencies.

"Examples of anything you've done?"

I refer you to the immediately preceding reply.

"If you think IV is better demonstrate it. "

If you think MDT is superior to IV, then you, Alex, and Aug demonstrate it. I've nothing to say at this point.

"Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion. Another beer can laying beside the disinformation highway."

In light of your whole reply, do you always welcome person, whom you've concluded (in this case, erroneously) "wet behind the ears newbies", in this offensive, grossly prejudicial, highly insulting manner?

Unless you abandon your ad hominem, prejudicial reply; then I have nothing more to say to you and will disregard further comments from you except a penitent reply from you. I do not appreicate your offensive vitriol against me nor will I tolerate it. Your reply convinced me that you are a human bent on destructive criticism and insulting all people (new, intermediate, and expert) instead of welcoming new people, helping people, and contributing positively to the DG's. Are you a troll? Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 3, 2008 1:08 PM
*Alex
Message 59 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-03-2008 10:23 AM in reply to: sjbosley

To angry one.

Visit:


You will find a wide variety assemblies
created in MDT.

They all from a few parts to huge
systems.

All parametrically constructed, constrained, BOM'd
easy updatable 3D to 2D in one file
again
.

Some of them mechanically simulated and created SWF
files.

Nobody trying to tell which prog is
better.

People are sharing their own opinions about a
practicality of the tool they are using.

If some prefers IV to MDT that's fine.

Hopefully all those threads will help Autodesk with
further

improvement their products.

 

Regards

Alex   

 


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Your
insulting, offensive reply deserves no comment other than this. "Which would
be 2nd or 3rd semester students?" My colleagues are mechanical designers that
have worked 20+ years for a defense organization and not college students.
"Equivalent to a CAD drivers license learner permit" No, a novice is a
learners permit. An expert is a professional motor racer. I am neither a
novice nor an expert. "Have you searched?" Yes, I have searched. "Wet behind
the ears newbies should restrict themselves to such activity until they're
knowledgable enough to participate. (see attachment: ng_discussion.zip)"
Wrong. First, I am not a novice. Second, novice can participate although they
may and should share other's more experienced input that they have learned or
heard. "How does anyone other than a zealot or shill get off telling someone
else what's best for them?" LOL. I am not the one that's doing the getting off
here. "How does anyone other than a complete idiot get off saying one program
or another is "superior" without putting it in some real world working
environment context and defining that environment?" How does anyone other than
a complete idiot come to an false conclusion to another's post and then from
his/her own mistaken understanding, proceed to issue insulting, unsubtantiated
virtriol against that other person? Have you asked sincere questions before
issuing your vitriol? As I have ALREADY admitted, I don't have much experience
with Inventor or MDT. Hence, I am sharing my more experienced colleagues'
real-world work. "Do you earn a living using the software?" Yes. "Doing what?"
A Mechanical Engineer "For whom?" A Defense organization "Where may examples
of your work be found?" Due to the sensitive nature, they can be found on our
organziation's Vault and other servers. "Examples of anything you've done?" I
refer you to the immediately preceding reply. "If you think IV is better
demonstrate it. " There already has been demonstrated by more experienced
users. If you think MDT is superior to IV, then you, Alex, and Aug demonstrate
it. "Otherwise you're just another wrinkled, smelly opinion. Another beer can
laying beside the disinformation highway." In light of your insulting reply,
do you always welcome person, whom you've concluded (in this case,
erroneously) "wet behind the ears newbies", in this offensive manner? Unless
you abandon your virtriolic, ad hominem, prejudicial reply; then I have
nothing more to say to you and will disregard further comments from you except
an apology from you. Your reply convinced me that you are a human bent on
destructive criticism and insulting people. Good Day.
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coviepresb1647
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Message 60 of 93 (619 Views)

Re: Announcement concerning Discontinuation of Mechanical Desktop

12-03-2008 10:33 AM in reply to: sjbosley
Alex,

Thanks. I will check it. Indeed, you are right to call me Angry One as I am both justly and righteously angry but not at you since you have not offended or insulted me.

Signed,
Righteously Angry One Edited by: coviepresb1647 on Dec 3, 2008 1:36 PM
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