Thank you for that I guess... provided my subscription amount doesn't go up because of this.
It doesn't... does it AD!?!?!?
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....but I don't feel I should have to "gamble" with my software subscriptions.
Exactly, this makes running a department/business very difficult and risky.
i agree hopefully your reseller has an email trail or something signed by someone at autodesk that says they won't charge for it because they usually do charge for downgrades
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Thank you for understanding my point Bmiller.
My team and I write business plans every year and they are forecasted for five. I own a professional service corporation and that means other than my employee compensation and health insurance my biggest expenditures are computer & software related. What should my forecasted numbers be? I think it's fabulous that AD has added 27 new software programs to my suite for free now. What should my expenses look like in 2016? I would love to see my CEO's face when I walk in with my portion of the plan and it's backed up by the information in this thread .
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My team and I write business plans every year and they are forecasted for five...
And the fact that so many people don't do that is why so many engineering depts have to ask their IT and accounting depts for permission to do everything. Too many people fail to create and operate by a budget.
I think the suites are a great deal as well, but only IF they don't end up costing more than the ROI at some future point. If the suite upgrade costs an extra $500 a year, but using the tools saves me $501 worth of man hours on the next project, then I'm in the black. Good deal for me. But in order to calculate the ROI I must know what things cost, and what fees I might encounter.
Everybody should demand these things in writing, just as good business practice, rather than just signing on the dotted line without knowing what they are agreeing to.
I have sent the following questions off to my VAR. I will post as soon as they email me back..
#1-Will there be a charge (downgrade fee of sorts) to opt out of the suites?
According to the last email I got from Autodesk about being upgraded to the Ultimate Suite… “You will not be charged for this upgrade during your current Subscription term.”
#2-Has Autodesk given any information on the cost of subscription when the current subscription term (which I assume is yearly) is up?
#3-If I decide to opt out of the suites what will it cost me to keep Autodesk Inventor Professional and Autocad Mechanical on subscription like I do today.
I, like everyone else, am not sure what the future holds. It is my understanding that the Inventor Suites are no more. You can still purchase Inventor/Inventor Pro without AutoCAD Mechanical but not bundled. So my guess is that if you only need/want Inventor/AutoCAD you will have to opt out of the new Design suite, leaving you with only Inventor, and then purchase AutoCAD next release cycle.
Autodesk Product Design Suite Ultimate is now available for Subscription Customers
Try talking to your VAR and bargain for a longer subscription contract. We negotiated a 3 year subscription contract to lock in the rate. We were also able to get a discount and some free services as well.
@hoser_71 wrote:Try talking to your VAR...
You lost me at "talking to your VAR"....
That is a great idea I didn't even know was possible. The only draw back is that I need to actually talk to my reseller at some point. I am still waiting to hear back on the iLogic training I inquired about on 1/28/2011, and the Custom CC training I inquired about on 1/7/11 (don't need this one anymore thanks to Paul Doublet). Haven't heard one thing. Oh AD reseller... why are you making it so hard to spend my money with you? You would think in this economy people would be fighting for my hard earned dollars but because of AD's bullcrap reseller program I am stuck with this shazz-ola. Nice.
Maybe you are not talking to the right office of your VAR 😉
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Well I heard from my VAR.. They have no idea whats going on with pricing/subscription increases/opt out penalties,etc..
Seems Autodesk is keeping this information a secret (or it hasn't been decided yet).. I suspect that in the next few weeks this information will start to be given out..(probably right after the official Autodesk webcasts,etc..) But for right now just hold on/relax and don't assume anything.
The only thing that is known is that those of us on subscription are getting upgraded to these suites with no increase in subscription costs for this current term.. What happens after that is a mystery for now.
@mcgyvr wrote:But for right now just hold on/relax and don't assume anything.
Thanks again for checking.
AD does some strange things sometimes and it seems like they just make it up along the way, but I suspect (dare I say assume) they know exactly what they're doing.
How many people have already agreed to take the free upgrade without knowing what they're agreeing to in the long run? If everyone balked, we'd see another announcement with pricing and details. But I'm guessing most people will jump at the opportunity to get a "free" upgrade and take it with out knowing long term details. Then AD will release the full terms. It's an "Excellent!" move on their part.
The head of Autodesk Marketing?
"hold on" is good advice.
"don't assume anything" is good advice too.
and I'll add again: "get it in writing" as further advice.
The notice I got had this:
You will not be charged for this upgrade during your current Subscription term.
When your current Subscription contract comes up for renewal, you will have the option to renew your Subscription to Product Design Suite Ultimate for a fee increase of $100 per seat per year.
I don't think that's bad at all. Now if I could just figure out how to facilitate this "automatic" upgrade. Logging into my sub doesn't even offer me inventor 2012 🙂
Edited to add that my old sub is not just basic inventor so my cost may have started out higher than some. Your milage may vary.
Current Sub prices won't go up, the next time you renew though it will be 100 bucks higher. You can opt out if you don't want the Suite.
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for the Autocad Mechanical opt out of Suite here is the link to decline the suite offer: http://autodesk.adskintdev.cs3.force.com/ExternalWebForm/P1234_OptOutMigrationAutoCADMechanical
you have till July 29th 2011
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@mflayler2 wrote:Current Sub prices won't go up, the next time you renew though it will be 100 bucks higher. You can opt out if you don't want the Suite.
That seems reasonable.
I assume 100 bucks is in USD, are the pricings listed somewhere for other countries?
Darren, are there other links like that, for other products? or is that a link provided one on one to each customer per their situation?
do you mean for the Inventor Suites?
then no i don't think you can opt out of the Product Design Suite Premium or Ultimate suites
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