Work geometry and rectangular pattern

[Anonymous]

Hi,

In the images attached a sketch
is shown for referencing the distances between holes. Now, I change the
amount of holes in 'X' direction and the Work Axis moves to an arbitrary
location. Changes in 'Y' direction do not upset the Work Feature. Am I
missing something?

Igor.

P.S. I did try to upload the part, but the
server kept disconnecting. The part was created in IV9,sp3. 

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[JDMather]

>P.S. I did try to upload the part, but the server kept disconnecting.

Did you roll up the EOP marker and zip?
This file should be no larger than the jpg you were able to post.

[Anonymous]

Igor,

I could not reproduce the problem based on the
image you posted. Could you send the part to johnsonDOTshiueATautodeskDOTcom, so
I can take a look?

Thanks!

 
Johnson Shiue
Test Engineer
Autodesk

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Hi,

In the images attached a sketch
is shown for referencing the distances between holes. Now, I change the
amount of holes in 'X' direction and the Work Axis moves to an arbitrary
location. Changes in 'Y' direction do not upset the Work Feature. Am I
missing s omething?

Igor.

P.S. I did try to upload the part, but
the server kept disconnecting. The part was created in
IV9,sp3. 

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[Anonymous]

Thank you, Johnson. I will try to do
that.

Igor.

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Igor,

I could not reproduce the problem based on the
image you posted. Could you send the part to johnsonDOTshiueATautodeskDOTcom,
so I can take a look?

Thanks!

Johnson Shiue
Test
Engineer
Autodesk

[Anonymous]

JD,
The part in Zipped format is less then 100Kb. Non the less I could not
upload it to the Autodesk server. And it isn't the first time I am having
some trouble to send models to the forum.
Igor.

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>P.S. I did try to upload the part, but the server kept disconnecting.

Did you roll up the EOP marker and zip?
This file should be no larger than the jpg you were able to post.

[gnrnr]

Johnson,

Looking between the two images it seems that the axis that moves may be tied to instance 6 of the array. Is this the expected way in which features would be tied to one another or not?

Regards


Steve

[gnrnr]

Igor,

Can you try an array which is 7X1 instead of the 5x5 and 4x5 show so far?

I think the axid may tie itself to the 6th hole in the array.

Regards


Steve

[Anonymous]

Hi Steve,

I can send you the part if you want to play with it. What I have done was
creating a pattern, place three work axis's in three corner holes. Then I
create a sketch on the face of the plate and projected the three axis's and
placed a Sketch Point. Applied driven dimensions. After that I have changed
amount of holes in X direction and horizontal distance has become diagonal
one.

Regards,

Igor.

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Igor,

Can you try an array which is 7X1 instead of the 5x5 and 4x5 show so far?

I think the axid may tie itself to the 6th hole in the array.

Regards


Steve

[gnrnr]

Igor,

I think that is because the axes you created are linked to a particular instance within the pattern, in this case hole number 6, rather than a nominal direction from the corner hole. Assuming this is right, Invnentor is showing you the correct information, ie the distnace from one axis to another. It just happens that in the first case your hole is in a neat horizontal direction.

I'll have a play here with a pattern to see if I can replicate it.

Regards

Steve

[JDMather]

>I can send you the part if you want to play with it.

I would like to look at the part. If you are having trouble here you can send it to me. Don't zip as our email blocks zipped files. jmatheratpctdotedu

[gnrnr]

Igor,

I was easily able to recreate the behaviour that you are seeing. I think this is how the softwarte works though. If you change your pattern to a 2X2 the instance containing the axis that moves, disappears, giving an error. This is also why you only notice the effects when you change the X values rather than the Y values.

Regards


Steve

[Anonymous]

Thank you, JD and Steve;

For all interested in this case I can tell that I have sent the part for
evaluation to AD and have got a confirmation that the behaviour of the
Pattern is abnormal. I was although informed that latest realises are free
from such error.

JD,

Thanks for the offer. Will send you a file ASAIC.

Regards,

Igor.

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>I can send you the part if you want to play with it.

I would like to look at the part. If you are having trouble here you can
send it to me. Don't zip as our email blocks zipped files.
jmatheratpctdotedu

[gnrnr]

Crap then!!! Ours performs the same way, but to some extent I expect it to. 🙂

Regards


Steve

[Anonymous]

Steve,

The whole idea of the sketch is for visual references only. When I modify
the part to suit, I want to see some of the crucial dimensions
instantaneously, without going to Measure tool bar. The sketch is aimed at
the Company Manager and serves no other purposes but to satisfy his
curiosity. Now, I have to satisfy his curiosity as to what the hell is
wrong with the software. So far I have failed to convince him that what he
sees on the screen is perfectly normal and as expected.

Igor.

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Igor,

I was easily able to recreate the behaviour that you are seeing. I think
this is how the softwarte works though. If you change your pattern to a 2X2
the instance containing the axis that moves, disappears, giving an error.
This is also why you only notice the effects when you change the X values
rather than the Y values.

Regards


Steve

[Anonymous]

I seem to be on a mission to discover new things for myself this week.
That's because my work load is less then usual at a moment. Anyway, here is
another image attached. That's what I see when use Show Dimensions in
Rectangular Pattern.

Igor.

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[JDMather]

>The whole idea of the sketch is for visual references only. When I modify the part to suit, I want to see some of the crucial dimensions instantaneously, without going to Measure tool bar. The sketch is aimed at the Company Manager and serves no other purposes but to satisfy his curiosity.

Instead why not simply double click in the feature in the browser? The dimensions appear for the sketch and the feature without having to go into edit sketch or feature or create or show a sketch. And you can change the numbers if desired and update.

[Anonymous]

JD,

Thanks for looking in to it. However, it seems you have missed one of the
posts of mine on this topic. Here is a screen shot of what I see if the
Pattern is done using "Distance" option.
Regards,

Igor.

P.S. May I ask if you had a chance to look at "Part 2" (sketches only)?

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>The whole idea of the sketch is for visual references only. When I modify
>the part to suit, I want to see some of the crucial dimensions
>instantaneously, without going to Measure tool bar. The sketch is aimed at
>the Company Manager and serves no other purposes but to satisfy his
>curiosity.

Instead why not simply double click in the feature in the browser? The
dimensions appear for the sketch and the feature without having to go into
edit sketch or feature or create or show a sketch.
And you can change the numbers if desired and update.

[JDMather]

I saw the original problem.

You might want to post "Part 2" here. It was also exhibiting behavior I have never seen before.

[Anonymous]

Hi JD,

For the life of me I can not post any parts (zipped or not) to this
discussion forum. I am getting an error message blah, blah, blah, type of.
Could you do me a favour and post that very part on my behalf?

Thank you,

Igor.

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I saw the original problem.

You might want to post "Part 2" here. It was also exhibiting behavior I
have never seen before.