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Why? Why? Why? Why?...

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Message 1 of 67
edarlak
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Why? Why? Why? Why?...

...Is R6 so &*^%&^$ SLOW?!!!

WHY??????????

P4 1.6 GHz
1 GB PC 800 RDRAM
PNY XGL 750

5.3 ran a heck of a lot faster than R6 IN EVERY FACET OF THE SOFTWARE!!!!!

Management was complaining how much slower we are on Inventor than we used to be on SolidWorks, NOW I HAVE TO TELL THEM INVENTOR IS EVEN SLOWER! GREAT!!!!
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Message 41 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

I've had the same problems with losing my codes after a hardware upgrade.
The response time from Autodesk in re-issuing a code was appauling. I was down for three days which killed the project I was on.
I have no experience how the CDilla reacts to a software upgrade as IV6 from IV5.3 will be my first. Do I need to allow a three day window to install IV6?!
Message 42 of 67
loop29
in reply to: edarlak

Let me ask you a Question, why you are upgrading to a new release when you are in a project? That doesn´t make sense to me !! Would you buy a new computer and set it up while you are in a project? I guess no.

regards
Message 43 of 67
jorgen
in reply to: edarlak

I'm not talking about upgrading.
If, IV crashes violently, with a bluescreen, it might corrupt or loose it's license. Then you need to re-authorize. Been there, done that.
This has not happened often lately, but in R4 it was a daily businiss.

And I'm always in the middle of a project.
When I finish a project, I'm well started on the next already.
And I'm currently setting up a new computer as well , in the middle of two projects 😉

By the way, do you have any news (ETA) on SQ4?
Message 44 of 67
edarlak
in reply to: edarlak

"Let me ask you a Question, why you are upgrading to a new release when you are in a project? That doesn´t make sense to me !! Would you buy a new computer and set it up while you are in a project? I guess no. regards"

Where I work, we (engineering) are always in a new project, there is never a break. We all work on all the projects at the same time, we all have a hand in designing the machine. We ALL have to be running the same version of IV. When a new release comes out, we ALL upgrade at the same time so the concurrent engineering can continue. WE ALL EXPECT THE NEW RELEASE TO WORK AS WELL AS THE ONE THAT WAS UPGRADED OR BETTER. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU NOW?
Message 45 of 67
jorgen
in reply to: edarlak

Easy tiger.

No reason to shout that loud 😉
Message 46 of 67
loop29
in reply to: edarlak

That´s what we´re doing !! We have constant preasure on projects. But as you will know when delivery date comes closer, things getting more hectic and some details have to be cleared and finished. I mean that this is not the best time for upgrading. We are in that position now and we know that we don´t have the time now to deal with upgrading or some other software related stuff. But in 1 months or so, we should have the spare time for 2 days to get everything done with release 6. That´s the time we need to migrate all our data. We know that there will be issues in the next 7 days after upgrading with new release, but it will not hurt us as much as when delivery date is close.

just my 2 cents
Message 47 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

What steps have you taken to confirm that the slowness is not particular to
your installations.

Do you have a small example data set that you could demonstrate the old Vs
the new (slow) speeds you claim? If so, could you post to Customer files so
others can compare. If indeed there are performace issues with this data as
opposed to your installations, then at least autodesk can be made aware and
get whatever it is slated for fix in the future.

I for one am not seeing performance decreases. But then again, i look at
things differently.

- drew






--
Drew Fulford B.A.Sc. Systems Engineer
Solid Caddgroup Inc. Burlington, Ontario
Tel: (905)331-9670, Fax: (905)331-7280
Corporate: http://www.solidcadcam.com/

Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
Visit my MCAD website @ http://www.mymcad.com/



"edarlak" wrote in message
news:f120400.43@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> "Let me ask you a Question, why you are upgrading to a new release when
you are in a project? That doesn´t make sense to me !! Would you buy a new
computer and set it up while you are in a project? I guess no. regards"
> Where I work, we (engineering) are always in a new project, there is never
a break. We all work on all the projects at the same time, we all have a
hand in designing the machine. We ALL have to be running the same version of
IV. When a new release comes out, we ALL upgrade at the same time so the
concurrent engineering can continue. WE ALL EXPECT THE NEW RELEASE TO WORK
AS WELL AS THE ONE THAT WAS UPGRADED OR BETTER. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU
NOW?
>
>
Message 48 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Hey don't drag me down in this
<g>


--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com

...sleep is for the
weak..
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Well
it was all going dandy, fiddled with projects in file open box then poof poof
poof poof..........$%*&% remove 6     5.3 opens for 5 milli
seconds ...*!$£"&     remove 5.3 and try again that was a
day ago. Got 5.3 up and running     phew, saw that cdilla
folder   I'm not touching. It all started when I was discussing
NESTED PATHS who was that mmmmmm -- Laurence,--Brian
Message 49 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

"I hope they start putting it back into the US-licenses as well. That
should get some massive, nasty responses here. "

 

Don't make us come over there and smack
you <vbg>


--
Sean Dotson, PE

href="http://www.sdotson.com">http://www.sdotson.com

...sleep is for the
weak..
-----------------------------------------


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If
you had no problems with C-dilla, regardless of norton, consider yourself a
very lucky individual.

Having to reauthorize IV, waiting some days to get the authorization-code
via mail, all due to IV crashing, and taking Windows down with a blue-screen
in enerving.
And of cource this usually happens when your in a hurry with
your project.

If C-dilla is considered customer-friendly, and to have no problems, I hope
they start putting it back into the US-licenses as well.
That should get
some massive, nasty responses here.

Jorgen

Message 50 of 67
edarlak
in reply to: edarlak

The "slowness" has nothing to do with particular data sets. All 4 machines that we installed IV on are exibiting the same lag in performance. R6.exe takes about 2x times to load than 5.3, slowness of cursor in sketch mode is another frustrating slow-down. Openning of files takes longer. R6 uses more ram for the same files than 5.3 required. Graphics performace has degraded from what it was in 5.3. Lets put it this way, I can say that nothing in R6 is faster than it was in 5.3.

The only thing left that I have not tried is installing Win2k SP3. Nothing else on the machines has changed except for the upgrading of Inventor. R6 simply requires more system resources than 5.3. The one machine that I set up to give non-IV users access to .idw's for prining (because AutoDesk never could get VoloView to work) can't even open up files without crashing, I get the IV has used more than 80%... blah...blah...blah... until I get an IV.exe error. Typical AutoDesk Code writing practice it seems (keeps the hardware manufacturers happy though). Maybe I need to tell management all the engineers need new computers every year!
Message 51 of 67
loop29
in reply to: edarlak

I have the comparison to a complete assembly of one of our products with 355 parts, showing in viewport with 10 Hz rotating in IV5.3 and IV6 with poststatictics=1. Open a part in an assembly is much more faster than in IV5.3. Sorry, but this data is completely confidential. No informations on release date for SQ4 yet, but I will keep your informed when it´s there.

regards
Message 52 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:15:45 -0800, "Sean Dotson"
com> wrote:

>"I hope they start putting it back into the US-licenses as well. That
>should get some massive, nasty responses here. "

You realize that even with the current authorization process, you
must get a new authorization code at every install. If Autodesk were
to go out of business... we will start loosing access to our drawings.

Joe Dunfee
Message 53 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

We use fastlook for non inventor users to print and
view idw's.  It opens large files quickly (doesn't try to update the data
from the model).  Even the Inventor users use fastlook, and it views acad
files as well.

 

Mike
Message 54 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Wrong joe.

--
Drew Fulford B.A.Sc. Systems Engineer
Solid Caddgroup Inc. Burlington, Ontario
Tel: (905)331-9670, Fax: (905)331-7280
Corporate: http://www.solidcadcam.com/

Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
Visit my MCAD website @ http://www.mymcad.com/



"Joe" wrote in message
news:3dca714d.2555704@discussion.autodesk.com...
> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 05:15:45 -0800, "Sean Dotson"
> com> wrote:
>
> >"I hope they start putting it back into the US-licenses as well. That
> >should get some massive, nasty responses here. "
>
> You realize that even with the current authorization process, you
> must get a new authorization code at every install. If Autodesk were
> to go out of business... we will start loosing access to our drawings.
>
> Joe Dunfee
Message 55 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Here's my take.. My additional tests don't paint such a bad picture.. I used
migration utility.

Decreases
R6 program load time: Slower the first time: Number of times done a day:
Few: Reason, Larger code base, more memory used.
Sketching responsiveness: Slower but managable: Number of times a day:
Frequent
Rotation Graphics Performance: About 80% from engine tests: Number of times
a day: Frequent

Unchanged
R6 IDW load time: Equal: Number of times a day: Frequent

Improvements
R6 assy data load time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
Feature edit time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
R6 IDW update time: Much Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
R6 IDW Usability/Responsiveness: Much much better: Number of times a day:
Frequent

So its a measurement of whats really important to you.

--
Drew Fulford B.A.Sc. Systems Engineer
Solid Caddgroup Inc. Burlington, Ontario
Tel: (905)331-9670, Fax: (905)331-7280
Corporate: http://www.solidcadcam.com/

Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
Visit my MCAD website @ http://www.mymcad.com/



"edarlak" wrote in message
news:f120400.49@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The "slowness" has nothing to do with particular data sets. All 4 machines
that we installed IV on are exibiting the same lag in performance. R6.exe
takes about 2x times to load than 5.3, slowness of cursor in sketch mode is
another frustrating slow-down. Openning of files takes longer. R6 uses more
ram for the same files than 5.3 required. Graphics performace has degraded
from what it was in 5.3. Lets put it this way, I can say that nothing in R6
is faster than it was in 5.3.
> The only thing left that I have not tried is installing Win2k SP3. Nothing
else on the machines has changed except for the upgrading of Inventor. R6
simply requires more system resources than 5.3. The one machine that I set
up to give non-IV users access to .idw's for prining (because AutoDesk never
could get VoloView to work) can't even open up files without crashing, I get
the IV has used more than 80%... blah...blah...blah... until I get an IV.exe
error. Typical AutoDesk Code writing practice it seems (keeps the hardware
manufacturers happy though). Maybe I need to tell management all the
engineers need new computers every year!
>
>
Message 56 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Amen.


--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad
Ischl - Austria

 

 


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The
"slowness" has nothing to do with particular data sets. All 4 machines that we
installed IV on are exibiting the same lag in performance. R6.exe takes about
2x times to load than 5.3, slowness of cursor in sketch mode is another
frustrating slow-down. Openning of files takes longer. R6 uses more ram for
the same files than 5.3 required. Graphics performace has degraded from what
it was in 5.3. Lets put it this way, I can say that nothing in R6 is faster
than it was in 5.3.

The only thing left that I have not tried is installing Win2k SP3. Nothing
else on the machines has changed except for the upgrading of Inventor. R6
simply requires more system resources than 5.3. The one machine that I set up
to give non-IV users access to .idw's for prining (because AutoDesk never
could get VoloView to work) can't even open up files without crashing, I get
the IV has used more than 80%... blah...blah...blah... until I get an IV.exe
error. Typical AutoDesk Code writing practice it seems (keeps the hardware
manufacturers happy though). Maybe I need to tell management all the engineers
need new computers every year!

Message 57 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

In my tests, IV6 was about 20% slower than 5.3 in
graphics in a huge assembly.

 

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen-
und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria


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I
have the comparison to a complete assembly of one of our products with 355
parts, showing in viewport with 10 Hz rotating in IV5.3 and IV6 with
poststatictics=1. Open a part in an assembly is much more faster than in
IV5.3. Sorry, but this data is completely confidential. No informations on
release date for SQ4 yet, but I will keep your informed when it´s there.

regards

Message 58 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Drew,
This sounds interesting:

> Decreases
> R6 program load time: Slower the first time: Number of times done a day:
> Few: Reason, Larger code base, more memory used.
> Sketching responsiveness: Slower but managable: Number of times a day:
> Frequent
> Rotation Graphics Performance: About 80% from engine tests: Number of
times
> a day: Frequent

I see the same decreases here.

> Unchanged
> R6 IDW load time: Equal: Number of times a day: Frequent
>
> Improvements
> R6 assy data load time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> Feature edit time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> R6 IDW update time: Much Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> R6 IDW Usability/Responsiveness: Much much better: Number of times a day:
> Frequent

I have no real comparison between 5.3 and 6, as I've never done heavy
drafting pre IV6.
But switching between MDT's drawings and IDW is like taking off the easy
jogging shoes and putting on heavy rubber boots and wading through deep mud.
I mean, there are WORLDS between the two packages regarding speed and
responsiveness.

Not to blame you for this, but I can never be contented with such a speed
decrease, even if it is a increase coming from IV5.
Hopefully Adesk is working on this!

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria


"Drew Fulford" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:C4F1C68E4435D13B6ECC853B84687DA0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Here's my take.. My additional tests don't paint such a bad picture.. I
used
> migration utility.
>
> Decreases
> R6 program load time: Slower the first time: Number of times done a day:
> Few: Reason, Larger code base, more memory used.
> Sketching responsiveness: Slower but managable: Number of times a day:
> Frequent
> Rotation Graphics Performance: About 80% from engine tests: Number of
times
> a day: Frequent
>
> Unchanged
> R6 IDW load time: Equal: Number of times a day: Frequent
>
> Improvements
> R6 assy data load time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> Feature edit time: Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> R6 IDW update time: Much Faster: Number of times a day: Frequent
> R6 IDW Usability/Responsiveness: Much much better: Number of times a day:
> Frequent
>
> So its a measurement of whats really important to you.
>
> --
> Drew Fulford B.A.Sc. Systems Engineer
> Solid Caddgroup Inc. Burlington, Ontario
> Tel: (905)331-9670, Fax: (905)331-7280
> Corporate: http://www.solidcadcam.com/
>
> Member of the Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
> Visit my MCAD website @ http://www.mymcad.com/
>
>
>
> "edarlak" wrote in message
> news:f120400.49@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > The "slowness" has nothing to do with particular data sets. All 4
machines
> that we installed IV on are exibiting the same lag in performance. R6.exe
> takes about 2x times to load than 5.3, slowness of cursor in sketch mode
is
> another frustrating slow-down. Openning of files takes longer. R6 uses
more
> ram for the same files than 5.3 required. Graphics performace has degraded
> from what it was in 5.3. Lets put it this way, I can say that nothing in
R6
> is faster than it was in 5.3.
> > The only thing left that I have not tried is installing Win2k SP3.
Nothing
> else on the machines has changed except for the upgrading of Inventor. R6
> simply requires more system resources than 5.3. The one machine that I set
> up to give non-IV users access to .idw's for prining (because AutoDesk
never
> could get VoloView to work) can't even open up files without crashing, I
get
> the IV has used more than 80%... blah...blah...blah... until I get an
IV.exe
> error. Typical AutoDesk Code writing practice it seems (keeps the hardware
> manufacturers happy though). Maybe I need to tell management all the
> engineers need new computers every year!
> >
> >
>
>
Message 59 of 67
Anonymous
in reply to: edarlak

Who's that 'we' Joe was talking about? The guy obviously hasn't ever
reinstalled a US version of Inventor. Either that or he's deliberately
spreading misinformation.

Gee, I wonder which?

Walt
Message 60 of 67
davejan
in reply to: edarlak

Just curious,
If the U.S. does not use c-dilla, then why do I have a c-dilla directory and files still hanging around on my computer?? I used MDT 4, 5 then went to inventor series at IV 5.0.. did any of these use c-dilla in the U.S.?? and will it cause me problems with IV 6 because it is on my computer??

David

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