Why problems with drawing features?

[Anonymous]

Why are some Inventors drawing features so lame compared to AutoCAD & MDT

For Example

Why can you not window pick to delete something in a drawing ??

Why when you try and modify a set of baseline dimensions do all the other
dimensions shoot off the screen into no man's land?

Why do all your dimensions drop off when you haven't even modified that part
of the model?

Why when you want to adjust the offset position of a group of dimensions do
you have to do it one at a time?
Why not stretch or somthing?

Some things about Inventor are so good. Example modeling environment. But
if you just want to do something quickly in the drawing is it so painful.

I think the developers should find someone that knows how to use AutoCAD or
mechanical desktop well and see how

quick it is to construct some geometry. copy, rotate, move previous, move
last, match prop, stretch etc....

How hard can I be

R10 AutoCAD could do all this.

I am a draftsman a I have used AutoCAD full time for 5 years
Mechanical Desktop 4/5/6 for 3.5 years
Inventor for 1 year.

I believe that Inventor does not make things easier when you have lots of
drawings of different parts to produce.
Sure if you only have one or two parts and you are just changing a few
dimensions it is quick
But so is AutoCAD in this situation just stretch, copy move etc.

What does any one else think ??????????????????

Stuart.

[Anonymous]

"I think the developers should find someone that knows how to use AutoCAD or
mechanical desktop well and see how"

Oh dear God no. I'd jump ship over to the dark side if that happened.

Inventor is a modeler foremost and a detailing package second. I agree that
some things could be made easier in the detailing mode but you must remember
that this is not AutoCAD.

I can detail a part as fast if not faster in IV than I ever could in
AutoCAD. And I was darn fast with that etch-a-sketch...

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Stuart P" wrote in message
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> Why are some Inventors drawing features so lame compared to AutoCAD & MDT
>
> For Example
>
> Why can you not window pick to delete something in a drawing ??
>
> Why when you try and modify a set of baseline dimensions do all the other
> dimensions shoot off the screen into no man's land?
>
> Why do all your dimensions drop off when you haven't even modified that
part
> of the model?
>
> Why when you want to adjust the offset position of a group of dimensions
do
> you have to do it one at a time?
> Why not stretch or somthing?
>
> Some things about Inventor are so good. Example modeling environment. But
> if you just want to do something quickly in the drawing is it so painful.
>
> I think the developers should find someone that knows how to use AutoCAD
or
> mechanical desktop well and see how
>
> quick it is to construct some geometry. copy, rotate, move previous, move
> last, match prop, stretch etc....
>
> How hard can I be
>
> R10 AutoCAD could do all this.
>
> I am a draftsman a I have used AutoCAD full time for 5 years
> Mechanical Desktop 4/5/6 for 3.5 years
> Inventor for 1 year.
>
> I believe that Inventor does not make things easier when you have lots of
> drawings of different parts to produce.
> Sure if you only have one or two parts and you are just changing a few
> dimensions it is quick
> But so is AutoCAD in this situation just stretch, copy move etc.
>
> What does any one else think ??????????????????
>
> Stuart.
>
>

[Anonymous]

I'm also a converted autocad user, and used MDT for a while. I did some pretty complex autocad 3D assemblies which I have re-done in Inventor in 20% the time.

My thoughts: you are trying to do to much in the drawing mode. They still have some work to do there. I change everything exclusively in the sketch mode. I can modify 20 parts in the layout of an assembly twice before I could go back and fix one part in MDT...I know, I wasn't the quickest in MDT, but when it comes to "on the fly modifications" in the model it doesn't even come close. The drawing is the LAST thing I do, and since the draftsman are still in autocad, I save the drawing as a .dwg file and let them do the detailing, dimensioning and making it pretty. I still use autocad for 2D work, generating the paper, and modifications to the old equipment.
My opinion is, detail in autocad if it makes you happy! It's OK (I think)

[Anonymous]

Come on now Sean, I still use that "etch a sketch" every day Can't help
it, I have to. But you are right. Stuart, you have to forget AutoCad when
you are designing parts and groups of parts. AutoCad is great for facility
layout , which is what I have to maintain, but is sucks toast ( I read that
here somewhere) when it comes to model documentation. Dimming up a part in
IV is much faster.

[Anonymous]

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> Why are some Inventors drawing features so
lame compared to AutoCAD & MDT
>
> For Example
>
>
Why can you not window pick to delete something in a drawing ??

Much rather have control of Tangent
edges line weights and the ability to turn outlines off but window picking for
line visibility wouldn't be bad either.

size=2>

>
> Why when you try and modify a
set of baseline dimensions do all the other
> dimensions shoot off the
screen into no man's land?

Mine don't ... least I haven't
seen'em do that yet.

>
> Why do all your dimensions drop off when you haven't even
modified that part
> of the model?

Don't know what that means.

>
> Why when you want to adjust the offset position of a
group of dimensions do
> you have to do it one at a time?
> Why not
stretch or somthing?

I think it might be because ANSI standard calls for
staggard dimensions but, while I use them, not everyone likes them so
maybe they haven't decided how to please the most users with some comprimose
yet. Also one of the prices you pay for using leading edge software, but there's
no law you have to.

>
> Some things about Inventor are so good.  Example
modeling environment. But
> if you just want to do something quickly in
the drawing is it so painful.

Like what? If you get model dims you can work in the
idw, but for the most part the idw reflects the model.

>
> I think the developers should find someone that knows how
to use AutoCAD or
> mechanical desktop well and see how
>
>
quick it is to construct some geometry.  copy, rotate, move previous,
move
> last, match prop, stretch etc....

Thank goodness there's not much chance of iTeam
considering making Inventor into AutoCAD.

>
> How hard can I be
>
> R10 AutoCAD could do
all this.
>
> I am a draftsman a I have used AutoCAD full time for
5 years
> Mechanical Desktop 4/5/6 for 3.5 years
> Inventor for 1
year.

Ah ... that's the reason. <G>

>
> I believe that Inventor does not make things easier when you
have lots of
> drawings of different parts to produce.
> Sure if you
only have one or two parts and you are just changing a few
> dimensions it
is quick
> But so is AutoCAD in this situation just stretch, copy move
etc.
>
> What does any one else think ??????????????????

Blaaah! <G>

>
> Stuart.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Stuart,
I feel with you...
Unfortunately, you will only get answers negative to ACAD and positive to IV
here. Most of the guys here are in blind love for IV and will never believe
that anything else in the world could be faster&easier.

Personally I believe, that IV still has ways to go until it's there. You put
your finger onto some of the most acheing points (selection sets:
pick/window/cross/fence/all/last/group/filter/and some more...)

Well, there are bugs in IV, but suppose there are bugs in all packages. The
question is how fast they get resolved?

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria

[Anonymous]

Leo, you for got your closing Im not knocking IV really I love it..........
Why else would you be here :^)

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
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"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
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> Stuart,
> I feel with you...
> Unfortunately, you will only get answers negative to ACAD and positive to
IV
> here. Most of the guys here are in blind love for IV and will never
believe
> that anything else in the world could be faster&easier.
>
> Personally I believe, that IV still has ways to go until it's there. You
put
> your finger onto some of the most acheing points (selection sets:
> pick/window/cross/fence/all/last/group/filter/and some more...)
>
> Well, there are bugs in IV, but suppose there are bugs in all packages.
The
> question is how fast they get resolved?
>
> Regards,
> --
> Leo Laimer
> Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>

[Anonymous]

>snip< Why else would you be here :^) >snip<

Maybe because Adesk forces the MDT users to switch to something else...

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria

[Anonymous]

The only way all the bugs could get resolved in any package is to add
nothing else ... ever ... and fix the existing bugs. Then we'd hear: "Why
don't you have this feature or that feature. It's a no-winner, either way.
You have any idea how many lines of code have to work together ... not
just in the program but in the OS and all the other junk that we put on our
systems. Amazes me anything works. No one is forcing you to do anything
FAIK. There are all kinds of buggy programs to choose from and unless I'm
mistaken, MDT won't self-destruct even if they did discontinue it ... which
is yet more speculation.
~Larry

"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
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> Stuart,
> I feel with you...
> Unfortunately, you will only get answers negative to ACAD and positive to
IV
> here. Most of the guys here are in blind love for IV and will never
believe
> that anything else in the world could be faster&easier.
>
> Personally I believe, that IV still has ways to go until it's there. You
put
> your finger onto some of the most acheing points (selection sets:
> pick/window/cross/fence/all/last/group/filter/and some more...)
>
> Well, there are bugs in IV, but suppose there are bugs in all packages.
The
> question is how fast they get resolved?
>
> Regards,
> --
> Leo Laimer
> Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
> A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>

[Anonymous]

Sean - I agree with your comment about Inventor being a modeling package first and a detailing package second. But isn't it time that the detailing catches up with the modeling? Doesn't every 3-D model need to be represented on paper eventually? By reading some of these posts, it seems like many people in here don't have to make paper drawings anymore. I wish that were the case for me. You and Larry a few other people in here always say we can go back to Autocad if we want to. The point is we don't want to. We would just like for Inventor's drawing capabilities to catch up to the rest of the package. Even you agree that it lags behind.

[Anonymous]

The only thing I miss about AutoCAD/MDT is a selection window (for .idw line
selecion)

[Anonymous]

I agree that the drawing package needs to
catch up with the modeling package. I've said many times that my
number one need is the drawing module. It has a lot of shortcomings, I see
them just as you do and I think they should be at the top of the priority list;
paper is what we sell. I don't however want it like AutoCAD. I think it's pretty
obvious that iTeam has got their act together on finding excellent new ways to
do things that aren't anything like the way AutoCAD did it and although they get
the same job done it gets done in a much more clever and intuitive way. If you
look up my previous post, you will find a ton of 'em that say something like:
yeah ... that feature would be nice as long as the drawing module gets done
first. It has improved, but still has a way to go. That said, using cutting
edge software extracts a price and the price seems to be stuff isn't all done
yet. No one wants you to go back to AutoCAD, but Inventor is the way it is: a
work in progress. Seems to me iTeam is doing an excellent job of
getting things out as fast as they can, even though, what they mostly see on the
group are complaints from us. The reference to using AutoCAD instead
is for those who don't want to pay the price of being here. It's always an
alternative.

~Larry

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Sean
- I agree with your comment about Inventor being a modeling package first and
a detailing package second. But isn't it time that the detailing catches up
with the modeling? Doesn't every 3-D model need to be represented on paper
eventually? By reading some of these posts, it seems like many people in here
don't have to make paper drawings anymore. I wish that were the case for me.
You and Larry a few other people in here always say we can go back to Autocad
if we want to. The point is we don't want to. We would just like for
Inventor's drawing capabilities to catch up to the rest of the package. Even
you agree that it lags behind.

[Anonymous]

If you are in a sketch you can chose by "crossing" and by "window" and all
lines in the window are selected. Same goes for idw's if you are in sketch
mode.

50% of what you do are habits the other 50% are bad habits.

Finnur P.

"Stuart P" wrote in message
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> Why are some Inventors drawing features so lame compared to AutoCAD & MDT
>
> For Example
>
> Why can you not window pick to delete something in a drawing ??
>
> Why when you try and modify a set of baseline dimensions do all the other
> dimensions shoot off the screen into no man's land?
>
> Why do all your dimensions drop off when you haven't even modified that
part
> of the model?
>
> Why when you want to adjust the offset position of a group of dimensions
do
> you have to do it one at a time?
> Why not stretch or somthing?
>
> Some things about Inventor are so good. Example modeling environment. But
> if you just want to do something quickly in the drawing is it so painful.
>
> I think the developers should find someone that knows how to use AutoCAD
or
> mechanical desktop well and see how
>
> quick it is to construct some geometry. copy, rotate, move previous, move
> last, match prop, stretch etc....
>
> How hard can I be
>
> R10 AutoCAD could do all this.
>
> I am a draftsman a I have used AutoCAD full time for 5 years
> Mechanical Desktop 4/5/6 for 3.5 years
> Inventor for 1 year.
>
> I believe that Inventor does not make things easier when you have lots of
> drawings of different parts to produce.
> Sure if you only have one or two parts and you are just changing a few
> dimensions it is quick
> But so is AutoCAD in this situation just stretch, copy move etc.
>
> What does any one else think ??????????????????
>
> Stuart.
>
>