Why can't I buy Inventor?

[Anonymous]

but have to buy a bundle with three programs I've had for years and want to
retire to get it? Is my reseller pulling my check book?

[Anonymous]

I'm assuming that you're speaking of AutoCAD, AutoCAD Mechanical and
Mechanical Desktop?

If so, you're basically getting those for free. Prior to Inventor R5.3, the
MDT software was sold separately. When MDT was added to Inventor, hence the
Autodesk Inventor Series, the retail cost of the product did not change
(this was early 2002).

Regardless, you do not have to install these additional applications if you
don't want them, but as far as I know, there isn't a way to opt out.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"CommeX" wrote in message
news:5246578@discussion.autodesk.com...
but have to buy a bundle with three programs I've had for years and want to
retire to get it? Is my reseller pulling my check book?

[Anonymous]

"I'm assuming that you're speaking of AutoCAD, AutoCAD Mechanical and
Mechanical Desktop? If so, you're basically getting those for free."

Great news!!! Can you please refer me to the download site where I can
download my free version of MDT 2007?

--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com

E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:5246595@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm assuming that you're speaking of AutoCAD, AutoCAD Mechanical and
Mechanical Desktop?

If so, you're basically getting those for free. Prior to Inventor R5.3, the
MDT software was sold separately. When MDT was added to Inventor, hence the
Autodesk Inventor Series, the retail cost of the product did not change
(this was early 2002).

Regardless, you do not have to install these additional applications if you
don't want them, but as far as I know, there isn't a way to opt out.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"CommeX" wrote in message
news:5246578@discussion.autodesk.com...
but have to buy a bundle with three programs I've had for years and want to
retire to get it? Is my reseller pulling my check book?

[Josh_Petitt]

>Can you please refer me to the download site where I can
download my free version of MDT 2007?

they come on a DVD after you purchase Inventor...

[hallstevenson]

From Autodesk's own pages, AutoCAD Mechanical 2007 costs $4495; Inventor 11 costs $5295.

Forget that Mechanical includes (vanilla) AutoCAD for the time being. We know that Inventor includes Mechanical though.

$5295 minus $4495 = $800

Using logic of non-marketing and/or non-sales types, that suggests that Inventor could be had, standalone, for $800....

[Anonymous]

Then how is it free?

--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com

E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site

wrote in message news:5246670@discussion.autodesk.com...
>Can you please refer me to the download site where I can
download my free version of MDT 2007?

they come on a DVD after you purchase Inventor...

[Josh_Petitt]

>Using logic of non-marketing and/or non-sales types, that suggests that Inventor could be had, standalone, for $800....

Using the logic of the fast-food line, you have to buy the value meal (ACAD Mechanical) before you can super-size (Inventor Series).

[Anonymous]

The proposition is not acceptable but thank you for the reply.

[lneufeld]

At the fast food place you can get the burger(AutoCAD), fries(MDT) and coke (Inventor)for one good price or you can get buy all three sperarately for a little more than the cost of meal(Inventor Series)

However, in the software world you can't purchase a coke (McInventor) by itself, nor can you purchase fries (McMDT) but you can buy just a burger (McAutoCAD)

Imagine McD's not selling you a coke - instead you have to buy the meal and throw away the burger and fries (you can't even sell or give them away because it is against the purchase agreement)

[Anonymous]

I saw an ad on TV for a product. It said if I called within 10 minutes I'd
get a second product for free. I called and said "You know... I think I'd
just like the second, free product. I don't really need the first one, as
it's expensive and doesn't do what I need it to." I'm still waiting on the
free product.

Should I sue? I figured that Adesk would back me on this one.

--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com

E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site

wrote in message news:5246701@discussion.autodesk.com...
At the fast food place you can get the burger(AutoCAD), fries(MDT) and coke
(Inventor)for one good price or you can get buy all three sperarately for a
little more than the cost of meal(Inventor Series)

However, in the software world you can't purchase a coke (McInventor) by
itself, nor can you purchase fries (McMDT) but you can buy just a burger
(McAutoCAD)

Imagine McD's not selling you a coke - instead you have to buy the meal and
throw away the burger and fries (you can't even sell or give them away
because it is against the purchase agreement)

[lneufeld]

See the problem is you and I are too old fashioned (Not the same thing as "old aged") we have this notion that "Free" means free (costs us nothing).

We also understand that our time is not free, so even glimpsing at a free product has an opportunity cost.

But "Free" is a term that hasn't existed in its common sense since before the internet people came along and stole the idea, then twisted it to mean simply zero "marginal" cost.

[Anonymous]

Following the food analogy - there's no such thing as a free meal.

I look at it from a very simplistic point of view. I get four CAD products plus a plug in EDM etc for the price of one and a bit
products. And if I don't like the deal I don't buy the product(s).

Simple.

And I don't have to whinge and whine about it. I've made the choice and I live with my choice, I'm not going to blame others for the
choice I made.

Blimey ... I've heard of the saying "whinging POMs", as a POM I think it could be applied to a few others.



--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



wrote in message news:5246837@discussion.autodesk.com...
See the problem is you and I are too old fashioned (Not the same thing as "old aged") we have this notion that "Free" means free
(costs us nothing).

We also understand that our time is not free, so even glimpsing at a free product has an opportunity cost.

But "Free" is a term that hasn't existed in its common sense since before the internet people came along and stole the idea, then
twisted it to mean simply zero "marginal" cost.

[lneufeld]

Duncan,

To clarify, I'm not whining about anything, I am happy with the software purchase that my company has made. I feel fortunate and grateful to have a career and a decent living. I don't expect freebies, I was simply explaining that there is no such thing as "free" anymore (and not just limited to CAD world)

regards,
Lon

[billco-mfg]

Like Andrew said, they were added to the IV package in 2002 without increasing the price.

[Anonymous]

Lon,

Those comments weren't directed at you, but I tagged it onto the end to try and pick up ALL the negative comments that had been
posted beforehand.

My apologise for causing offence, certainly none was meant, other than to those who consider whining and whinging like a spoilt
child is the best way of persuading Adsk to improve matters.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



wrote in message news:5247215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Duncan,

To clarify, I'm not whining about anything, I am happy with the software purchase that my company has made. I feel fortunate and
grateful to have a career and a decent living. I don't expect freebies, I was simply explaining that there is no such thing as
"free" anymore (and not just limited to CAD world)

regards,
Lon

[lneufeld]

no offense taken,

I guess I hadn't picked up as much on the negative comments. I should have avoided this thread, but I empathize with MDT users who have to deal with looming threat of losing their favourite tool. I agree with you that unconstructive whining on this discussion group has no benefit.

[Anonymous]

I have used Inventor from v1, you could not import or export .dwg format
reliably until v5.3 when they included MDT/Autocad with inventor. This
greatly improved the import and export abilities of Inventor. Also sometimes
importing step or sat files failed in Inventor but were successful in MDT,
saved and then imported into inventor with success. Hay, I am glad to have
the MDT/Autocad free with Inventor now. Thank you Autodesk!, YOU REALLY NEED
ALL 3 PROGRAMS IF YOU WORK WITH OTHER CUSTOMERS DATABASES!


"CommeX" wrote in message
news:5246578@discussion.autodesk.com...
but have to buy a bundle with three programs I've had for years and want to
retire to get it? Is my reseller pulling my check book?

[Anonymous]

... but I empathize with MDT users who have to deal with looming threat of losing their favourite tool.


I don't in this N/G. They have there own N/G to raise such issues


news://discussion.autodesk.com/autodesk.mechanicaldesktop
&
http://discussion.autodesk.com/forum.jspa?forumID=89




--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs

[Anonymous]

My stance is simple. If you have to pay for it, it's not free. I'm tired of
being told by people with agendas that MDT is free. It's not. You can say
that all the software is free and your paying for the box or the air inside.
You can sell it anyway you want, but whatever product you wish to use, you
have to pay for it. It's no more complicated than that.

Why do I have negative comments? Simple... My experiences with IV are not
good. The FIRST time I decided to use this software seriously I installed
IV11. You'd think that by waiting so long until R11 is released that it
would be stable.

You'd think so...

--
Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com

E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:5247245@discussion.autodesk.com...
Lon,

Those comments weren't directed at you, but I tagged it onto the end to try
and pick up ALL the negative comments that had been
posted beforehand.

My apologise for causing offence, certainly none was meant, other than to
those who consider whining and whinging like a spoilt
child is the best way of persuading Adsk to improve matters.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



wrote in message news:5247215@discussion.autodesk.com...
Duncan,

To clarify, I'm not whining about anything, I am happy with the software
purchase that my company has made. I feel fortunate and
grateful to have a career and a decent living. I don't expect freebies, I
was simply explaining that there is no such thing as
"free" anymore (and not just limited to CAD world)

regards,
Lon

[lneufeld]

There has always been this pseudo-competition between IV and MDT, and for some reason it keeps getting propagated.

The two tools are complementary. MDT has its place and is valuable so Autodesk refuses to kill it.

MDT proponents are being displaced from their group by the evangelical onslaught of Inventor worshippers. They've paid for the privilege to participate in this discussion group, so I say let them - the more open it is, the sooner this stupid non-existent battle can be put to rest and hopefully there are no casualties (ie I hope MDT remains a documented feature of AIS).