"I hope other will agree with me that neither is "better" than the other -
they are not in competition with each other, you get them both anyway!"
Absolutely. That's what we pay for. All of them. And, MDT has suited my
needs the most so far out of all 3. That's why I get frustrated with JD
Mather for constantly belittling MDT users on the forums. If JD's purpose is
to convert me and others to IV, he's failing miserably with his lack of
understanding why people use MDT and his smartass and non-productive remarks
about problems that he doesn't have. You know, you get more flies with sugar
than salt, as they say.
I've been a long time MDT user. When I moved to this job 3 years ago after
using MDT since Designer at my previous job, all the data here is in
Acad/MDT format. So, we HAD to buy the bundle for $5,000, because MDT is
"free" but only if you pay for it.
On the side I've wanted to learn IV and keep up with the times and new
programs. But, like most software I use, I wait until all of you guys work
out the bugs and glitches before I install it. I work in a high volume
production environment, so down/learning time in NOT an option for me.
That's just the way it is. I installed IV 8 when we first got it and messed
around with it on the side, but I just didn't have the time to bring it into
our production environment.
Fast forward 3 years.
I get an opportunity at work to install and use IV. I explain to the boss
all the features and benefits that I see in the sofware and he gives me the
green light. Basically I have a month to bring this program into production
and show the boss that it's useful and a good tool for us. We use LOTS of
fasteners here. LOTS. The Content Center was a big selling point for my
boss. I saw it in IV10 and that became the extra incentive to change. Being
able to create and catalog our own libraries and all the functionality
that's supposed to come with CC looked great. So, with the green light from
managment I install IV11 and get to work. I created an entire job in IV for
our company and really started to dig on IV. I ran into problems, but I
attribute those to learning the software and I realize that there will be
problems with ANY software.
So, I finish my design (with much appreciated help from this group) and it's
now time to insert the fasteners using the Adesk touted Content Center. And,
that's where the problems started.
Now I have egg on my face and my boss put me back on MDT because he doesn't
have the time and money to waste when the previous solution worked, which is
MDT. His logic, and I agree with him, is what's the point of having features
if they don't work? What's the point of converting to a new program when in
the end that new program will not increase your productivity? IV WOULD
increase our productivity IF it worked as advertised. But, it doesn't. And
there lies the problem.
But that's not bad enough. I have to read comments made by JD that do
nothing but exacerbate the problem. Nice things like..
JD Mather wrote... "Oops, correct me. Show me an Autodesk url that lists
MDT as a product sold by Autodesk. Or a photocopy of a PO would convince
me."
JD Mather wrote... "Silly me, so what's new in AutoCAD 2007, er, I mean MDT
2007? How much was that seat?"
Yeah. Real helpful. I really like being belittled because I use MDT and had
to PAY for it. Thanks JD. Your a real help.
If it weren't for MDT being so solid, I'd be out a job.
So, that's where I'm coming from. I realize I can just not use the CC, as
well as any of the other things that don't seem to work right in IV. But,
that's not the point. The point is the software doesn't work as advertised
and is indicative of a bigger problem, which is the development of the
software. And, I've been paying for that development by being on
subscription for 3 years. And, I'm not reaping any benefits from it.
Why were we on subscription if we didn't use IV? Because we need to keep
Acad/MDT up to date and we've always wanted to migrate/switch or at least
increase our software options. We were waiting for the right time when IV
development was mature, robust, and MOST important, STABLE and RELIABLE. I
was foolish to install this version before waiting a year. I realize that.
But, what am I supposed to think? It's R11. It should be good to go by now.
Adesk has been helpful on this. They've contacted me numerous times and I
really believe that they are trying to resolve the issues I have. But,
they're not resolved yet, so I just sit here and wait. And, waiting doesn't
make my company money. And, it's getting pretty hard to justify staying on
subscription.
Regards,
Robert
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Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com
E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
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wrote in message news:5247502@discussion.autodesk.com...
that is why I made sure to include the word "looming" I remember the
rumours about MDT dying years ago. I also doubt there is an official plan
to discontinue it, but it seems like it has been intentionally hidden from
view, so that may explain the perception.
I hope other will agree with me that neither is "better" than the other -
they are not in competition with each other, you get them both anyway!
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