What would you do?

[Anonymous]

I just received my new system last week loaded with the W2K SP3 O.S. and 4
GB Ram. Just for the fun of it I looked at task manager and it says only 2GB
ram is available. Well come to find out the only O.S. that recognizes over
2GB ram is Win 2000 server which is almost 500 bucks more than W2K. I am not
a computer guy so I assumed our system builder knew what would work. I asked
him about it and he looked it up on the web and said oh yeh it looks like
win 2000 only sees 2 gb ram max. I spec'd the machine at 4 GB because I was
routinely banging my HD for paging space with 1.5 gb ram on my old system.
He says he will give us our money back on two 1gb memory sticks since we
have to use multiples of two with our main board. This leaves me just about
where I was memory wise and the company cost of 7 grand for the system. I
asked if he would split the difference with us on the Win 2000 server since
he did not catch it and he said no way! Does this sound right to any of you?

[Anonymous]

I forgot to ask, does anyone know if Inventor will have any problems running
under Win 2000 server? I assume not.
"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:C5A2AA610F8A76A284042DE43B8AC254@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just received my new system last week loaded with the W2K SP3 O.S. and 4
> GB Ram. Just for the fun of it I looked at task manager and it says only
2GB
> ram is available. Well come to find out the only O.S. that recognizes over
> 2GB ram is Win 2000 server which is almost 500 bucks more than W2K. I am
not
> a computer guy so I assumed our system builder knew what would work. I
asked
> him about it and he looked it up on the web and said oh yeh it looks like
> win 2000 only sees 2 gb ram max. I spec'd the machine at 4 GB because I
was
> routinely banging my HD for paging space with 1.5 gb ram on my old system.
> He says he will give us our money back on two 1gb memory sticks since we
> have to use multiples of two with our main board. This leaves me just
about
> where I was memory wise and the company cost of 7 grand for the system. I
> asked if he would split the difference with us on the Win 2000 server
since
> he did not catch it and he said no way! Does this sound right to any of
you?
>
>

[Anonymous]

He balking on $250 out of 7k? That sounds a bit cheap... But what can you
do, but tell him you are not buying any more computers from him. Now that
$250 on a future return of possibly 10's of thousands starts to look pretty
small doesn't it.

I think offering to split the difference is more than fair.
--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
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"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:C5A2AA610F8A76A284042DE43B8AC254@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just received my new system last week loaded with the W2K SP3 O.S. and 4
> GB Ram. Just for the fun of it I looked at task manager and it says only
2GB
> ram is available. Well come to find out the only O.S. that recognizes over
> 2GB ram is Win 2000 server which is almost 500 bucks more than W2K. I am
not
> a computer guy so I assumed our system builder knew what would work. I
asked
> him about it and he looked it up on the web and said oh yeh it looks like
> win 2000 only sees 2 gb ram max. I spec'd the machine at 4 GB because I
was
> routinely banging my HD for paging space with 1.5 gb ram on my old system.
> He says he will give us our money back on two 1gb memory sticks since we
> have to use multiples of two with our main board. This leaves me just
about
> where I was memory wise and the company cost of 7 grand for the system. I
> asked if he would split the difference with us on the Win 2000 server
since
> he did not catch it and he said no way! Does this sound right to any of
you?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Ok, I'm confused. Why then does this article on the MS website (I posted it before) say that Windows will recognize 4GB RAM?



http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.asp



If this article is not true then I'd like to know, just for confirmation, how much memory WinXP Pro can handle.



Sorry Albert if I'm steering this thread away from your quesitons.



MechMan

[Anonymous]

"I think offering to split the difference is more than fair."



Agreed, especially considering how much time this guys mistake has cost you. I bet if you push hard enough he'll bend, break, or shatter.



MechMan

[Anonymous]

Mech, it looks like a total of 4gb is supported but
W2K grabs 2gb exclusively for itself and lets other programs have the other
2gb. At least that's what I get from the article.

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"MechMan" <mechman> wrote in message
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Ok,
I'm confused. Why then does this article on the MS website (I posted it
before) say that Windows will recognize 4GB RAM?

href="http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/hwd...

If this article is not true then I'd like to know, just for confirmation,
how much memory WinXP Pro can handle.

Sorry Albert if I'm steering this thread away from your quesitons.

MechMan

[Anonymous]

The limitation could well be coming from the motherboard. Windows may not be the problem,
it could be related to the MB chipset. I can, for example, go to the Dell website and order a 530 Workstation
that runs W2K with 4G of RAM. I assume that means that the operating system is capable. However, it requires a riser and adds almost 6k to the price. If you can see the BIOS during POST, what
does it report?

Joe Beauchesne Boeing Satellite Systems joebeauche@excite.com

[Anonymous]

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/professional/evaluation/features/defaul
t.asp

that page says that win2k pro supports 4gigs.

where did you read that only server supports that much?

Matt

[Anonymous]

The bios shows 4GB, that's the weird part. So
it looks like the O.S. is the problem and even direct from Microsoft you will
get 5 different answers from 5 different techs on how W2K uses RAM.

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"joebeauche" <
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The
limitation could well be coming from the motherboard. Windows may not be the
problem,
it could be related to the MB chipset. I can, for example, go to
the Dell website and order a 530 Workstation
that runs W2K with 4G of RAM.
I assume that means that the operating system is capable. However, it requires
a riser and adds almost 6k to the price. If you can see the BIOS during POST,
what
does it report?

Joe Beauchesne Boeing Satellite Systems
joebeauche@excite.com

[Anonymous]

Good grief. Well Albert, since I apparently can't give you answers I guess all I can offer you is my sympathy towards your plight.



Good luck.

MechMan

[Anonymous]

Windows 2000 server supports 4 gb of memory. This memory setup is designed
for the server market, not CAD. Windows 2000 pro does not support more than
2gb.

Windows XP pro supports 3gb memory for all applications. CAD apps must
specifically be built to support the additional 1 gb of memory. Inventor 6
does not support this today.

To answer your question return 1gb of memory, use the cost difference to
offset your Windows XP pro purchase.
Wait for a version of Inventor that supports 3gb of system memory.

Also be ware that in XP sp1 you need a hotfix to repair the 3gb support the
OS can provide.

-Kevin Schneider


"Albert Allen" wrote in message
news:C5A2AA610F8A76A284042DE43B8AC254@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I just received my new system last week loaded with the W2K SP3 O.S. and 4
> GB Ram. Just for the fun of it I looked at task manager and it says only
2GB
> ram is available. Well come to find out the only O.S. that recognizes over
> 2GB ram is Win 2000 server which is almost 500 bucks more than W2K. I am
not
> a computer guy so I assumed our system builder knew what would work. I
asked
> him about it and he looked it up on the web and said oh yeh it looks like
> win 2000 only sees 2 gb ram max. I spec'd the machine at 4 GB because I
was
> routinely banging my HD for paging space with 1.5 gb ram on my old system.
> He says he will give us our money back on two 1gb memory sticks since we
> have to use multiples of two with our main board. This leaves me just
about
> where I was memory wise and the company cost of 7 grand for the system. I
> asked if he would split the difference with us on the Win 2000 server
since
> he did not catch it and he said no way! Does this sound right to any of
you?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Kevin, thanks, that's the first real answer I have gotten!
My main board is setup for interleaved memory so I have to run in two stick
intervals so for 3gb under Win xp I would need two 1gb sticks and 2 512mb
sticks, this is getting complicated.
So do you know if Inv will even run under 2000 server? has anyone ever
tried?

Thanks

"Kevin Schneider, Autodesk Inc." wrote in
message news:5273B12AF4636D8C7DC482734A18D17E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Windows 2000 server supports 4 gb of memory. This memory setup is designed
> for the server market, not CAD. Windows 2000 pro does not support more
than
> 2gb.
>
> Windows XP pro supports 3gb memory for all applications. CAD apps must
> specifically be built to support the additional 1 gb of memory. Inventor 6
> does not support this today.
>
> To answer your question return 1gb of memory, use the cost difference to
> offset your Windows XP pro purchase.
> Wait for a version of Inventor that supports 3gb of system memory.
>
> Also be ware that in XP sp1 you need a hotfix to repair the 3gb support
the
> OS can provide.
>
> -Kevin Schneider
>
>
> "Albert Allen" wrote in message
> news:C5A2AA610F8A76A284042DE43B8AC254@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I just received my new system last week loaded with the W2K SP3 O.S. and
4
> > GB Ram. Just for the fun of it I looked at task manager and it says only
> 2GB
> > ram is available. Well come to find out the only O.S. that recognizes
over
> > 2GB ram is Win 2000 server which is almost 500 bucks more than W2K. I am
> not
> > a computer guy so I assumed our system builder knew what would work. I
> asked
> > him about it and he looked it up on the web and said oh yeh it looks
like
> > win 2000 only sees 2 gb ram max. I spec'd the machine at 4 GB because I
> was
> > routinely banging my HD for paging space with 1.5 gb ram on my old
system.
> > He says he will give us our money back on two 1gb memory sticks since we
> > have to use multiples of two with our main board. This leaves me just
> about
> > where I was memory wise and the company cost of 7 grand for the system.
I
> > asked if he would split the difference with us on the Win 2000 server
> since
> > he did not catch it and he said no way! Does this sound right to any of
> you?
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Kevin,

This is good information. Will help me spec out future machines knowing the
design specks of the software.

Is there a limitation on the paging file size that IV will write out to
currently and for the future?

Regards,
Kent Mathews