what is a phantom part

[Anonymous]

can someone please explain to me, in simple terms what a phantom part is and how it can be used

Many thanks

[Anonymous]

grease

[Anonymous]

you use it in bearings 😉

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grease

[Anonymous]

and for palms...

We use wall anchors quite a lot so im guessing the resin we use are phantom parts. how would i go about using them in an assembly???

currently our anchors have "with resin cartridge" in the description which isnt strictly true because most of the time the resin is put in with a gun

[Anonymous]

Aren't resin cartridges are the ones that are in glass tubes that, when you hammer in the anchor it breaks and the resin disperses?...
Don’t suppose you have a model of the broken glass tube with the resin, oozing out? (Or will you leave it phantom?) That would make a nice avi file.... tehe

[Anonymous]

these are the type of cartridges we use, (plastic or foil i think) same principal as the glass, more often than not though we just squirt the stuff in with a gun which was why i was wondering if its worth using phantom parts

[RonnieWilkins]

From my understanding, as well as all documents I've read, a phantom 'part' is really an assy where you do not want it to be seen in the BOM as an assy, so that all sub parts act as if they are in the higher assy. This allows you to modularize your assy into smaller subs, yet have Inventor treat them as if the sub assy's marked as phantom do not exist when creating Parts List.

Virtual Parts are used for items such as grease, paint and such. Message was edited by: rwilkins

[Anonymous]

This is a more accurate description, at least with respect to how the BOM
treats phantom components. This attribute is typically something you'd put
on an assembly, not a part.

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Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk
wrote in message news:5201022@discussion.autodesk.com...
From my understanding, as well as all documents I've read, a phantom 'part'
is really an assy where you do not want it to be seen in the BOM as an assy,
so that all sub parts act as if they are in the higher assy. This allows
you to modularize your assy into smaller subs, yet have Inventor treat them
as if the sub assy's marked as phantom do not exist when creating Parts
List.

Virtual Parts are used for items such as grease, paint and such.

Message was edited by: rwilkins

[Anonymous]

A phantom assembly is an assembly that does not appear on the BOM as an
assembly, it appears as if it were individual parts.

A phantom assembly can reduce constraining time, for example, a combination
of bolt, washers, and a nut. I use this and call it a hardware bundle.iam.
Instead of having to constrain each bolt, washer and nut that comprises this
phantom assembly, it only takes one constraint. This really reduces the
time spent constraining when you have 20 hardware bundles needed that are
not in any arrayable pattern. Instead of about 80 constraints (one bolt,
nut and two washers per assembly), it would take 20 constraints to position
the phantom hardware bundle assemblies.

A virtual part is a part that is not modeled, but needs to appear on the BOM
/ parts list (grease).


Stephen R.



wrote in message news:5200975@discussion.autodesk.com...
can someone please explain to me, in simple terms what a phantom part is and
how it can be used

Many thanks

[mcgyvr]

A phantom is a part you make but do not physically stock before using in the next step of manufacturing. A phantom part has a bill of material but no routing.
Thats how ERP systems define it and thats how Inventor should treat it.

[Anonymous]

The accounting department will appreciate it as they're paying for the greasing, painting, and etc.

[Anonymous]

A "phantom" setting can also be used for parts that you do not want to appear in the BOM. This is different from Reference because the linetypes are handled differently.

[Anonymous]

It could be documentation, parts book, CD-ROM
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A phantom is a part you make but do not physically stock before using in the
next step of manufacturing. A phantom part has a bill of material but no
routing.
Thats how ERP systems define it and thats how Inventor should treat it.

[mcgyvr]

blair thats according to Inventor.
But thats not how an EPR program sees it.
I just wanted to make that clear when the days of easy transfer from Inventor BOM to an EPR program is possible. Because that might cause problems if you set it up that way.

In our EPR system a phantom item must have a Bill of materials associated with it.

If/when inventor/icenter allow easy/flawless push/pull of bom's from inventor to an EPR program you will run into problems if your phantom items dont have a bill of materials.

[Anonymous]

Our intergration system allows for non-stocked, which we are then able to
treat the phantom part as if we wish to import. In our system we can have
BOM's for all part numbers, it will diplay a warning for all but Made and
Kit type parts. We can have have BOM's for purchased parts should we ever
fell the need to manufacture a part that we normally purchase. On the onther
hand we can also purchase parts that we normally manufacture, we will get a
warning telling us so, unless we change the part type in the stock system
maintenance. Possible you migh look at the short commings of your EPR and
MPR system and not as much IV. There might be a reason that DuPont, Hitachi,
Panoz, Johnson & Johnson, Daewoo, Federal Mogul, Kawasaki, Praxair and
Nestle to name a few use the same software.
wrote in message news:5201756@discussion.autodesk.com...
blair thats according to Inventor.
But thats not how an EPR program sees it.
I just wanted to make that clear when the days of easy transfer from
Inventor BOM to an EPR program is possible. Because that might cause
problems if you set it up that way.

In our EPR system a phantom item must have a Bill of materials associated
with it.

If/when inventor/icenter allow easy/flawless push/pull of bom's from
inventor to an EPR program you will run into problems if your phantom items
dont have a bill of materials.