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[Anonymous]

Hello All -
Is there some kind of a limit on how many parts/ sub-assemblies a drawing will properly perform operations on? I have an assembly of a few hundred (maybe 6-800?) parts and probably about 2 hundred sub assemblies. (Still have a good handful of assemblies to go.)

I am in charge of documentation and drawing so I have made a different assembly for each few parts so that the man in the shop can see what he is supposed to do.

Lately, things seem to be taking a lot longer to do. It seems to freeze up and not finish a command. I don't have a lot of patience, if something takes more than 5 minutes, I am not going to wait and see if it is really working on it or not. I have too much to do to wait staring at the screen wondering if it is doing something or not. Couldn't Autodesk put a timer on the screen (in place of the mouse pointer) if it is working, so that we at least know if it is doing something or not?

I am wondering if others have found a limit somewhere and what that limit is. I have a pretty quick computer and don't see why I should have to wait for this program to run.

I am putting the specs of my computer here:

Computer
Hewlett-Packard Company
HP Pavillion
AMD Athlon(tm) 64X2 Dual
Core Processor 3800+
994 MHz, 3.00 GB of RAM

Operating System
Windows XP
Media Center Edition
Version 2002
Service Pack 2

Video Card
Nvidia Quadro FX
Model P268
VCOFX 1300 - PCIE

Video Driver
Date 10-14-2005
DPI Setting 96 dpi
Refresh Rate 85 Hertz
Hardware acceleration
None |||||| Full
x
(Disable all DirectDraw and Direct3D
accelerations, as well as all cursor
and advanced drawing accelerations.)
Resolution 1280 x 1024

Monitor
19" Sony Trinitron
Multiscan E400
CPD-E400/E400E

If anyone has some ideas, I would be only too pleased to listen.

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

First things that spring to mind...

Why is your hardware acceleration not set at full? It wouldn't make
Inventor slower to process contraints etc.. but your graphics won't be
as smooth as they could.

I don't think XP Media Centre edition is officially supported by
Autodesk (although I can't see why I shouldn't work)

Regarding your assembly, are there any adaptive parts in there? It's
easy whilst modeling to end up with lots of projected geometry between
parts which can slow things down.

Hope this is of some use to you.

Rory



Smoky Forge wrote:
> Hello All -
> Is there some kind of a limit on how many parts/ sub-assemblies a drawing will properly perform operations on? I have an assembly of a few hundred (maybe 6-800?) parts and probably about 2 hundred sub assemblies. (Still have a good handful of assemblies to go.)
>
> I am in charge of documentation and drawing so I have made a different assembly for each few parts so that the man in the shop can see what he is supposed to do.
>
> Lately, things seem to be taking a lot longer to do. It seems to freeze up and not finish a command. I don't have a lot of patience, if something takes more than 5 minutes, I am not going to wait and see if it is really working on it or not. I have too much to do to wait staring at the screen wondering if it is doing something or not. Couldn't Autodesk put a timer on the screen (in place of the mouse pointer) if it is working, so that we at least know if it is doing something or not?
>
> I am wondering if others have found a limit somewhere and what that limit is. I have a pretty quick computer and don't see why I should have to wait for this program to run.
>
> I am putting the specs of my computer here:
>
> Computer
> Hewlett-Packard Company
> HP Pavillion
> AMD Athlon(tm) 64X2 Dual
> Core Processor 3800+
> 994 MHz, 3.00 GB of RAM
>
> Operating System
> Windows XP
> Media Center Edition
> Version 2002
> Service Pack 2
>
> Video Card
> Nvidia Quadro FX
> Model P268
> VCOFX 1300 - PCIE
>
> Video Driver
> Date 10-14-2005
> DPI Setting 96 dpi
> Refresh Rate 85 Hertz
> Hardware acceleration
> None |||||| Full
> x
> (Disable all DirectDraw and Direct3D
> accelerations, as well as all cursor
> and advanced drawing accelerations.)
> Resolution 1280 x 1024
>
> Monitor
> 19" Sony Trinitron
> Multiscan E400
> CPD-E400/E400E
>
> If anyone has some ideas, I would be only too pleased to listen.
>
> Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

Hi and thanks for the speedy reply -

Hardware acceleration is set down so far because it kept crashing (actually it is set one step lower yet than shown) (for the same reason) and I was advised that I should keep putting the setting down until it ran without crashing.

My boss bought the computer for a good buy, so, I am stuck with the Media Center Windows XP

RE: the assembly - no adaptive parts yet. One assembly that is in there 12 times is not fully constrained and I will need it to move in one direction forwards and back, but so far I haven't even set that to adaptive.

What kind of projected geometry "between parts"? Please give me an example so I know whether or not I have any. I am still rather new to Inventor and am learning every day. You guys on this list are a great resource, and a HUGE help to a guy with less than perfect memory and not much training.

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

I am now wondering if the Autodesk people could possibly reply to this saying if the Windows XP Media Center is definitely NOT supported or if it is ok, and just not listed.

After reading Rory's reply, I got to thinking, and if something as easy as a new OS could solve some of my many problems, it may be worth it, and I may be able to talk the boss into it. But only if I have a responsible reply to this. Otherwise, he will say 'That is only some one else's opinion and not Autodesk.'

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

Hi ,

Did you take a look at R11? We did a lot of Performance and Capacity
improvements in R11 for Drawings.
Does your assembly have many component patterns? Sometimes, those are the
bottlenecks.

Your post says about general slowness. If you can provide the files and give
specifics like ... takes 'x' mins to create this section view ..or ... never
creates a particular view..or...takes very long to create a certain
annotation.., it will be very helpful to address any issues that we may
find.

If you provide the files, i can test it with R11 and see if the improvements
we made helps you.
Apart from that, like Rory mentioned, it will be better to try with Win XP
Prefessional.

Kindly email me (vijay.ilavarasan@autodesk.com) and I can provide you a
secure Autodesk FTP location.

Thanks,
Vijay I
Inv QA, ADSK



wrote in message news:5248865@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi and thanks for the speedy reply -

Hardware acceleration is set down so far because it kept crashing (actually
it is set one step lower yet than shown) (for the same reason) and I was
advised that I should keep putting the setting down until it ran without
crashing.

My boss bought the computer for a good buy, so, I am stuck with the Media
Center Windows XP

RE: the assembly - no adaptive parts yet. One assembly that is in there 12
times is not fully constrained and I will need it to move in one direction
forwards and back, but so far I haven't even set that to adaptive.

What kind of projected geometry "between parts"? Please give me an example
so I know whether or not I have any. I am still rather new to Inventor and
am learning every day. You guys on this list are a great resource, and a
HUGE help to a guy with less than perfect memory and not much training.

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

Smoky Forge wrote:
> Hi and thanks for the speedy reply -
>
> Hardware acceleration is set down so far because it kept crashing (actually it is set one step lower yet than shown) (for the same reason) and I was advised that I should keep putting the setting down until it ran without crashing.
>
> My boss bought the computer for a good buy, so, I am stuck with the Media Center Windows XP
>
> RE: the assembly - no adaptive parts yet. One assembly that is in there 12 times is not fully constrained and I will need it to move in one direction forwards and back, but so far I haven't even set that to adaptive.
>
> What kind of projected geometry "between parts"? Please give me an example so I know whether or not I have any. I am still rather new to Inventor and am learning every day. You guys on this list are a great resource, and a HUGE help to a guy with less than perfect memory and not much training.
>
> Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

By projected geometry between parts I mean this:-

Imagine you are going to model something simple like 2 plates bolted
together. You create "PLATE1" and draw a rectangle, extrude it and then
add 4 holes.

You then create PLATE2 using "Create Component" and start sketching on
the top of PLATE1.

You use "Project Geometry" to copy the edges of plate1 into the sketch
for plate2.

This projected geometry is adaptive - You can tell that by the red/blue
circle next to the sketch icon.

You then extrude the plate and it's done.
The part itself will show as adaptive as it contains projected geometry.

If PLATE1 ever changes in size, PLATE2 should change to suit as it was
projected from PLATE1.


So basically, using the default settings in Inventor and using the
"Project Geometry" command will create parts that are linked and adaptive.

Hope this clears it up (or it might even make it more confusing!)

Regards

Rory

[Anonymous]

OK and thanks - I understand what you are saying now, and I don't have any of that. Each part was separately created and placed into an assembly. Then many sub assemblies and many parts are put into a larger assembly, and so on.

I am going to send to Vijay a pack-n-go of the whole thing as it stands now and see what he can some up with.

Thanks again for your help.

Smoky IV10-SP3a

[swalton]

I have a idw of an assembly (1100 components, 7k instances) with 5 shaded views on one sheet and 3 on a second. It takes about 40 min to load with no other IV docs open. it is not possible to work in the idw while the views are shaded, i have to convert them to no-hidden (about 1 hr) before I can move the views, add dims, etc. Switching between sheets takes about 15 min.
Switching from the iam to the idw is quick, switching back requires 20-30 min, more if I change the iam.

idws of smaller assemblies (800 components, 2000 instances) take a proportionatly shorter time to open.

This issue has affected me in both IV 10 and IV 11, all service packs.

My retailer, boss, and end customer can duplicate the issue on my files. 1st line Autodesk support can not.

Task manager shows 25% (one logical processer) during the entire open process. Memory alloacted to IV goes to 1.8 to 1.9 GB.

open times have been checked with files located on the file server and localy. This has not affected open times.

the iams open in 2-4 min.

Computer specs

XP service pack 2
2 2.8 GHz xeons, hyperthreading on
3 GB ram
3 GB switch set
Quadro FX 4500
84.26 drivers
OpenGL
SCSI RAID 1 drives

[Anonymous]

Hi Smoky,

The installation requirements (that come with the software) for R10 should
show that the supported Windows XP platform is Windows XP Professional.

--
-Jason
Inventor QA


wrote in message news:5248894@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am now wondering if the Autodesk people could possibly reply to this
saying if the Windows XP Media Center is definitely NOT supported or if it
is ok, and just not listed.

After reading Rory's reply, I got to thinking, and if something as easy as a
new OS could solve some of my many problems, it may be worth it, and I may
be able to talk the boss into it. But only if I have a responsible reply to
this. Otherwise, he will say 'That is only some one else's opinion and not
Autodesk.'

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a

[Anonymous]

Hi,

In R11, if you drawing is up-to-date with the assembly, then you should be
able to open it real quick. If it is taking @40 mins, I suspect that your
model is updated and the drawing is computing to make the updates.

With 1100 components and 7000 instances, that is a pretty heavy assembly
with lot of component patterns I think. It is expected to take significant
time to compute views. But I believe the time it takes in R11 should be an
improvement compared to R10. I like to take a look at this and do some tests
on it.
You also seem to have some specifics and timetests already done which will
help me validate the problem.

We are constantly making efforts to improve performance and capacity.
It will be real helpful if we can get the files to analyze any issues and
possible bottlenecks. Please email me (vijay.ilavarasan@autodesk.com) and I
will provide you a secure FTP site to upload the files.

Thanks,
Vijay I
Inv QA, ADSK.

wrote in message news:5248980@discussion.autodesk.com...
I have a idw of an assembly (1100 components, 7k instances) with 5 shaded
views on one sheet and 3 on a second. It takes about 40 min to load with no
other IV docs open. it is not possible to work in the idw while the views
are shaded, i have to convert them to no-hidden (about 1 hr) before I can
move the views, add dims, etc. Switching between sheets takes about 15 min.
Switching from the iam to the idw is quick, switching back requires 20-30
min, more if I change the iam.

idws of smaller assemblies (800 components, 2000 instances) take a
proportionatly shorter time to open.

This issue has affected me in both IV 10 and IV 11, all service packs.

My retailer, boss, and end customer can duplicate the issue on my files.
1st line Autodesk support can not.

Task manager shows 25% (one logical processer) during the entire open
process. Memory alloacted to IV goes to 1.8 to 1.9 GB.

open times have been checked with files located on the file server and
localy. This has not affected open times.

the iams open in 2-4 min.

Computer specs

XP service pack 2
2 2.8 GHz xeons, hyperthreading on
3 GB ram
3 GB switch set
Quadro FX 4500
84.26 drivers
OpenGL
SCSI RAID 1 drives

[Anonymous]

Hello -
I am confused when you say '2k instances' What exactly are you meaning? I am a relatively new user of Inventor and have not heard this terminology before.

Please correct my ignorance.

Thanks, Smoky IV10-SP3a

[swalton]

IV 11 will tell you how many unique files ( ipts and iams) that are used in the current iam. It will also tell you the total number of components.

the difference between the two numbers accounts for the repeated parts (bolts, sub assys used more than once, etc).

This measurement was not displayed in IV 10.

[Anonymous]

You should be able to get a "upgrade kit" move from XP to XP Professional.
Most "Box Stores" don't stock "Pro" units.
"Jason Ruge (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:5248972@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi Smoky,

The installation requirements (that come with the software) for R10 should
show that the supported Windows XP platform is Windows XP Professional.

--
-Jason
Inventor QA


wrote in message news:5248894@discussion.autodesk.com...
I am now wondering if the Autodesk people could possibly reply to this
saying if the Windows XP Media Center is definitely NOT supported or if it
is ok, and just not listed.

After reading Rory's reply, I got to thinking, and if something as easy as a
new OS could solve some of my many problems, it may be worth it, and I may
be able to talk the boss into it. But only if I have a responsible reply to
this. Otherwise, he will say 'That is only some one else's opinion and not
Autodesk.'

Thanks Smoky IV10-SP3a