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*Dotson, Sean
Message 11 of 21 (47 Views)

Re:

12-07-2002 08:43 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
That's exactly what it is. Juts keep in mind it can blow up an assy real
quick. It may give you constraint errors at a point no where near the part
that changed tolerances. Juts keep it in mind...

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"Cory McConnell" wrote in message
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> I just assumed that the yellow circle meant the dimension is modeled at
> nominal; the + models the dimension at its max; the - models the dimension
> at its min. I think this may be half useful for checking for tolerance
> stack interferences. Although, I haven't tested my theories
thoroughly.
>
> --
> Cory McConnell
> BJ Pipeline Inspection
> "Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
> news:3DF28E07.10808@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> > Joe:
> >
> > Thank you. I'd love to know how all of you figure these things out.
> >
> > Do you have any idea what the yellow circle, + and - mean?
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > Joe Bartels wrote:
> > > In the Parameters dialog box you can pick the value in the Equation
> column.
> > > When the value is selcted the arrow pulldown menu will appear and you
> can
> > > set the tolerance here as well.
> > >
> > > The Tol. column is used to quickley set the dimension at its min, max,
> and
> > > nominal field.
> > >
> > > I agree that it should be easier to find information through the help.
> It's
> > > there if you know what to look for, but there's no tutorials for it.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in
> message
> > > news:3DF27F6C.6080504@hfx.eastlink.ca...
> > >
> >
>
>
*Hinterhoeller, Richard
Message 12 of 21 (47 Views)

Re:

12-07-2002 10:34 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
Cory an Sean:

Thanks. As I was falling asleep last night it occurred to me to
experiment with exactly what you describe. I certainly hadn't thought
it through to the point of causing constraint errors so that heads-up is
appreciated.

Richard

Sean Dotson wrote:
> That's exactly what it is. Juts keep in mind it can blow up an assy real
> quick. It may give you constraint errors at a point no where near the part
> that changed tolerances. Juts keep it in mind...
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> "Cory McConnell" wrote in message
> news:87B7959E132DA5DFDF3357857B048B73@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
>>I just assumed that the yellow circle meant the dimension is modeled at
>>nominal; the + models the dimension at its max; the - models the dimension
>>at its min. I think this may be half useful for checking for tolerance
>>stack interferences. Although, I haven't tested my theories
>
> thoroughly.
>
>>--
>>Cory McConnell
>>BJ Pipeline Inspection
>>"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
>>news:3DF28E07.10808@hfx.eastlink.ca...
>>
>>>Joe:
>>>
>>>Thank you. I'd love to know how all of you figure these things out.
>>>
>>>Do you have any idea what the yellow circle, + and - mean?
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>Joe Bartels wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the Parameters dialog box you can pick the value in the Equation
>>>
>>column.
>>
>>>>When the value is selcted the arrow pulldown menu will appear and you
>>>
>>can
>>
>>>>set the tolerance here as well.
>>>>
>>>>The Tol. column is used to quickley set the dimension at its min, max,
>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>nominal field.
>>>>
>>>>I agree that it should be easier to find information through the help.
>>>
>>It's
>>
>>>>there if you know what to look for, but there's no tutorials for it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in
>>>
>>message
>>
>>>>news:3DF27F6C.6080504@hfx.eastlink.ca...
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
*Hinterhoeller, Richard
Message 13 of 21 (47 Views)

Re:

12-07-2002 10:39 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
Sorry all for the grumpy tone in this thread. I can't imagine it having
anything to do with working on a Saturday evening.

I'd like to make it clear that I'm glad the tolerance functionality has
been added to IV and I hope the developers have plans to polish up the
interface a bit.

Richard
*Dotson, Sean
Message 14 of 21 (47 Views)

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12-07-2002 11:49 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
That's an important point to remember. I was a very big critic of what was
put into R6 as tolerances but I have toned down as I have used it more. You
have to start somewhere and I know this is just the first step. You are
probably feeling the same things.

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
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"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
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> Sorry all for the grumpy tone in this thread. I can't imagine it having
> anything to do with working on a Saturday evening.
>
> I'd like to make it clear that I'm glad the tolerance functionality has
> been added to IV and I hope the developers have plans to polish up the
> interface a bit.
>
> Richard
>
*Hinterhoeller, Richard
Message 15 of 21 (47 Views)

Re:

12-08-2002 12:46 AM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
Sean:

I think what tipped me over the deep end on this was the lack of help
available in the help screen.

I managed to uncover paragraph after paragraph about what tolerances are
and how useful they are, but no instructions on how one use them within
the IV environment.

Richard

Sean Dotson wrote:
> That's an important point to remember. I was a very big critic of what was
> put into R6 as tolerances but I have toned down as I have used it more. You
> have to start somewhere and I know this is just the first step. You are
> probably feeling the same things.
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
*McConnell, Cory
Message 16 of 21 (47 Views)

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12-08-2002 01:49 AM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
When I sat down to use Inventor the first time (R4 Trial Version), I opened
up help looked at a few things became totally confused, and closed it.
haven't had it open since. When R6 came I opened up the manual, just for
fun, and discovered it was quite a joke in its own right. Weldments
aren't even mentioned.

--
Cory McConnell
BJ Pipeline Inspection
"Richard Hinterhoeller" wrote in message
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> Sean:
>
> I think what tipped me over the deep end on this was the lack of help
> available in the help screen.
>
> I managed to uncover paragraph after paragraph about what tolerances are
> and how useful they are, but no instructions on how one use them within
> the IV environment.
>
> Richard
>
> Sean Dotson wrote:
> > That's an important point to remember. I was a very big critic of what
was
> > put into R6 as tolerances but I have toned down as I have used it more.
You
> > have to start somewhere and I know this is just the first step. You are
> > probably feeling the same things.
> >
> > --
> > Sean Dotson, PE
> > http://www.sdotson.com
> > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > www.sdotson.com/faq.html
>
*Crain, Ron
Message 17 of 21 (47 Views)

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12-08-2002 02:27 AM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> They do need to work on the way tolerances are passed to the IDW however.
> Right now unless you use "Get Model Dims" which I think only <1% of
people
> do (I certainly don't) it's several clicks to get them to show up
> correctly..

Sean, are you saying that you can get tolerances to display if you don't use
"Get Model DIms"?

How?
*Dotson, Sean
Message 18 of 21 (47 Views)

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12-08-2002 08:01 AM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
Yes but it's a difficult (IMO) process. I'll outline it for everyone
tomorrow.

--
Sean Dotson, PE
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"Ron Crain" wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:FD54CB4DA8E05CD41E6ED1D813273FB0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > They do need to work on the way tolerances are passed to the IDW
however.
> > Right now unless you use "Get Model Dims" which I think only <1% of
> people
> > do (I certainly don't) it's several clicks to get them to show up
> > correctly..
>
> Sean, are you saying that you can get tolerances to display if you don't
use
> "Get Model DIms"?
>
> How?
>
>
*Dotson, Sean
Message 19 of 21 (47 Views)

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12-08-2002 09:17 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
You know what Ron. I was wrong. I was thinking about hole notes. That you
can do. Regular dimensions are a no go. Which is why I find them useless
in the state they are now. As I said before I understand they need to start
somewhere but right now they are useless..

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
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"Ron Crain" wrote in message
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>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:FD54CB4DA8E05CD41E6ED1D813273FB0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > They do need to work on the way tolerances are passed to the IDW
however.
> > Right now unless you use "Get Model Dims" which I think only <1% of
> people
> > do (I certainly don't) it's several clicks to get them to show up
> > correctly..
>
> Sean, are you saying that you can get tolerances to display if you don't
use
> "Get Model DIms"?
>
> How?
>
>
*Crain, Ron
Message 20 of 21 (47 Views)

Re:

12-08-2002 10:50 PM in reply to: *Hinterhoeller, Richard
Useless, yes. If only they allowed selective "get model dimensions".


"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> You know what Ron. I was wrong. I was thinking about hole notes. That you
> can do. Regular dimensions are a no go. Which is why I find them useless
> in the state they are now. As I said before I understand they need to
start
> somewhere but right now they are useless..
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> http://www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> -----------------------------------------
> "Ron Crain" wrote in message
> news:smileyvery-happy:A59CD1C512D10E83925A32A990BD815@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> >
> > "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> > news:FD54CB4DA8E05CD41E6ED1D813273FB0@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > They do need to work on the way tolerances are passed to the IDW
> however.
> > > Right now unless you use "Get Model Dims" which I think only <1% of
> > people
> > > do (I certainly don't) it's several clicks to get them to show up
> > > correctly..
> >
> > Sean, are you saying that you can get tolerances to display if you don't
> use
> > "Get Model DIms"?
> >
> > How?
> >
> >
>
>
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