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split tool and 3d intersection why's???

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stephengibson76
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split tool and 3d intersection why's???

why cant you project geometry onto a 2d sketch and use that sketch to split a surface? you have to first extrude the sketch as a surface before you can use it with split tool.

why cant you pick segments of a 2d sketch to use with in a 3d sketch '3d intersection curve' tool? again you have to extrude the sketch as a surface before you can choose which segments you want to use.

just curious why this extra step of extruding the surface first is needed, or if its worth adding to the wishlist
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Message 2 of 21

sorry AIP11 SP4 may be different 2008/2009
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Message 3 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

I can split surfaces using 2d sketch geometry here
on IV2009. Maybe you should upgrade?

stephen gibson wrote:
> sorry AIP11 SP4 may be different 2008/2009
Message 4 of 21

projected geometry?
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Message 5 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

In 3D Sketch ( all versions) you can project 2D geometry to a face or
surface. Is that what you are looking for?

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wrote in message news:5974824@discussion.autodesk.com...
why cant you project geometry onto a 2d sketch and use that sketch to split
a surface? you have to first extrude the sketch as a surface before you can
use it with split tool.

why cant you pick segments of a 2d sketch to use with in a 3d sketch '3d
intersection curve' tool? again you have to extrude the sketch as a surface
before you can choose which segments you want to use.

just curious why this extra step of extruding the surface first is needed,
or if its worth adding to the wishlist
Message 6 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

# 3D Intersection tool is the wrong tool. Use Project Curve to Surface.

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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009 PcCillin AV
HP zv5000 AMD64 2GB
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185
XP Pro SP2, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com
wrote in message news:5974824@discussion.autodesk.com...
why cant you project geometry onto a 2d sketch and use that sketch to split
a surface? you have to first extrude the sketch as a surface before you can
use it with split tool.

why cant you pick segments of a 2d sketch to use with in a 3d sketch '3d
intersection curve' tool? again you have to extrude the sketch as a surface
before you can choose which segments you want to use.

just curious why this extra step of extruding the surface first is needed,
or if its worth adding to the wishlist
Message 7 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

Once you have the curve on the surface, use it as the split tool. Here's the
result.

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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009 PcCillin AV
HP zv5000 AMD64 2GB
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185
XP Pro SP2, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com
"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:5974874@discussion.autodesk.com...
# 3D Intersection tool is the wrong tool. Use Project Curve to Surface.

--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009 PcCillin AV
HP zv5000 AMD64 2GB
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185
XP Pro SP2, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com
wrote in message news:5974824@discussion.autodesk.com...
why cant you project geometry onto a 2d sketch and use that sketch to split
a surface? you have to first extrude the sketch as a surface before you can
use it with split tool.

why cant you pick segments of a 2d sketch to use with in a 3d sketch '3d
intersection curve' tool? again you have to extrude the sketch as a surface
before you can choose which segments you want to use.

just curious why this extra step of extruding the surface first is needed,
or if its worth adding to the wishlist
Message 8 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

Here's the final split surface.

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Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009 PcCillin AV
HP zv5000 AMD64 2GB
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185
XP Pro SP2, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com
"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:5974874@discussion.autodesk.com...
# 3D Intersection tool is the wrong tool. Use Project Curve to Surface.

--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
AIP 2008 SP2, AIP 2009 PcCillin AV
HP zv5000 AMD64 2GB
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185
XP Pro SP2, Windows XP Silver Theme
http://teknigroup.com
wrote in message news:5974824@discussion.autodesk.com...
why cant you project geometry onto a 2d sketch and use that sketch to split
a surface? you have to first extrude the sketch as a surface before you can
use it with split tool.

why cant you pick segments of a 2d sketch to use with in a 3d sketch '3d
intersection curve' tool? again you have to extrude the sketch as a surface
before you can choose which segments you want to use.

just curious why this extra step of extruding the surface first is needed,
or if its worth adding to the wishlist
Message 9 of 21

yes, this allows you to choose just the segments of the 2d sketch you want to use, why #2 answered by the ever informative dennis
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Message 10 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

not sure, don't remember that.
There's always break link. I try to
stay away from adaptivity, it causes
too many problems down the road.

stephen gibson wrote:
> projected geometry?
Message 11 of 21

thanks dennis, this works if the curves you are projecting cross the whole face you are trying to split but not if they dont. currently i do a 2d sketch, project the geometry, if its easy add a tangent extension line to cover the whole surfece i want to split, if not extrude the projected geometry line and extend surface to cover the surface i want to split. a 2d sketch of normal geometry will automatically extend the cut line to cover the whole face you want to split
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Message 12 of 21

projected geometry from the same part?
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Message 13 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: stephengibson76

Post your part.

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wrote in message news:5974928@discussion.autodesk.com...
thanks dennis, this works if the curves you are projecting cross the whole
face you are trying to split but not if they dont. currently i do a 2d
sketch, project the geometry, if its easy add a tangent extension line to
cover the whole surfece i want to split, if not extrude the projected
geometry line and extend surface to cover the surface i want to split. a 2d
sketch of normal geometry will automatically extend the cut line to cover
the whole face you want to split
Message 14 of 21

This is an example part, mine is a lot more complicated but not allowed to post. i have come across this quite a few times.

i would like to just split the cylinder using sketch 3. shown is how i achieve this at the moment. my concern is that extending edges is not the same as extending the sketch lines, especially when arcs are involved

thanks for looking
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Message 15 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: stephengibson76

Change the projected geometry to construction linetype.
Sketch your desired split geometry overtop the construction geometry and properly constrain.

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Message 16 of 21

thanks, that doesnt seem to work with arcs that have been projected onto a workplane at an angle
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Message 17 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: stephengibson76

> arcs that have been projected onto a workplane at an angle

No longer arcs. Spline curves.

My guess is what you really want is to derive the geometry as work surfaces but without an example file it is not possible to suggest a solution.

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Message 18 of 21

no derived surfaces, its one of these organic shapes i have previously posted about, for an acrylic viewport protect on a submarine
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Message 19 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: stephengibson76

Doesn't change my answer.

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Message 20 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: stephengibson76

Did this with master (skeletal) modeling techniques and derived components. Make a change to the master and the frame and all of the body panels update.

Body panels are 4 levels deep -
Master>Solid>Shell>Left and Right sides.

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