Sketch Joke

[Anonymous]

See CF for file of same name. This is why I hate the sketcher in Inventor so
much. Trying to align 8 sketch points. Try to drag them, try a rebuild all.
I know I can do it differently & make it work, that's not the point. The
point is:
Why can't my $5000 software align 8 dots? EIGHT FREAKIN'
DOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Dave Hoder
Product Design Engineer
idX Seattle
www.idxcorporation.com

[Anonymous]

I agree, I too would consider the method you are trying to use to constrain hole points to be a cruel joke. Maybe try two construction line rectangles (basic geometric principle) or a rectangular pattern(s)?

[Anonymous]

dave,
I end up using construction lines for aligned holes. Then they at
least lay down on one axis. But why not use a pattern? It (the sketcher)
should be much more intellegent though!
darvin

"Dave Hoder"
wrote in message
news:43E6FC61D034F8DF03261AF2E81EFD3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> See CF for file of same name. This is why I hate the sketcher in
Inventor so
> much. Trying to align 8 sketch points. Try to drag them, try a rebuild
all.
> I know I can do it differently & make it work, that's not the point.
The
> point is:
> Why can't my $5000 software align 8 dots? EIGHT FREAKIN'
> DOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> --
> Dave Hoder
> Product Design Engineer
> idX Seattle
> www.idxcorporation.com
>
>

[Anonymous]

Dave,

You sketch was corrupt from the get-go, it was not possible to modify it.
I've placed one under yours that uses the same theory without difficulty.
One tip is to preselect all the points in one row and then click the
Horizontal Constraint tool. All are applied at once.

Neil

"Dave Hoder" wrote in
message news:43E6FC61D034F8DF03261AF2E81EFD3E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> See CF for file of same name. This is why I hate the sketcher in Inventor
so
> much. Trying to align 8 sketch points. Try to drag them, try a rebuild
all.
> I know I can do it differently & make it work, that's not the point. The
> point is:
> Why can't my $5000 software align 8 dots? EIGHT FREAKIN'
> DOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> --
> Dave Hoder
> Product Design Engineer
> idX Seattle
> www.idxcorporation.com
>
>

[Anonymous]

Where did these points come from, an ACAD file? They don't look like native Inventor sketch points. Not that it really matters except that it seems to me it would be easier to model something like this in Inventor from the start, or is this simply an example of a much more complex hole pattern you want to migrate from ACAD?

[Anonymous]

My guess would be that Dave projected those points from another part in
an assembly. Then turned off the associativity and deleted the link
between the projected geometry and the other part. Then open the
sketch, selected the projected locations and changed them to normal
sketch lines, then deleted the circles leaving behind the center points
which he then constrained and dimensioned.

Having done the above before myself, I have had similar problems with
trying to locate or relocate the pattern. My workaround was to place
actual center points, deleted the projected center points and then
constrain and dimension.


JDMATHER wrote:

> Where did these points come from, an ACAD file? They don't look like
> native Inventor sketch points. Not that it really matters except that it
> seems to me it would be easier to model something like this in Inventor
> from the start, or is this simply an example of a much more complex hole
> pattern you want to migrate from ACAD?

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
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[Anonymous]

Thanks for the tip Neil. I didn't know you could select multiples & use a
horiz or vert constraint on all. Normally I wouldn't do anything like this &
would use some construction geometry or just project them. This just
happened to be made from another part using save as & I needed to re-center
some already existing projected holes, so since the geometry was already
there why not just throw some constraints & run with it. This is one of
those cases (which happens all to often) where it would have taken 20
seconds to just delete the holes & rebuild them properly but I spend 1/2
hour trying to fix something that should just work in the first place.
Sometimes I just want to smash things. 😉
EIGHT FREAKIN' DOTS!

--
Dave Hoder
Product Design Engineer
idX Seattle
www.idxcorporation.com
"Neil Munro" wrote in message
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> Dave,
>
> You sketch was corrupt from the get-go, it was not possible to modify it.
> I've placed one under yours that uses the same theory without difficulty.
> One tip is to preselect all the points in one row and then click the
> Horizontal Constraint tool. All are applied at once.
>
> Neil

[Anonymous]

Agreed, construction geometry is the way to go on this one.

You can also get multiple Equal contraints to work at the same time, and
there may be others.

Neil


"Dave Hoder" wrote in
message news:3832902255CCD6FB81CC2606A5A98FE7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks for the tip Neil. I didn't know you could select multiples & use a
> horiz or vert constraint on all. Normally I wouldn't do anything like this
&
> would use some construction geometry or just project them. This just
> happened to be made from another part using save as & I needed to
re-center
> some already existing projected holes, so since the geometry was already
> there why not just throw some constraints & run with it. This is one of
> those cases (which happens all to often) where it would have taken 20
> seconds to just delete the holes & rebuild them properly but I spend 1/2
> hour trying to fix something that should just work in the first place.
> Sometimes I just want to smash things. 😉
> EIGHT FREAKIN' DOTS!
>
> --
> Dave Hoder
> Product Design Engineer
> idX Seattle
> www.idxcorporation.com
> "Neil Munro" wrote in message
> news:BA7FCD55ED34ACF09D807ADED9D03649@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Dave,
> >
> > You sketch was corrupt from the get-go, it was not possible to modify
it.
> > I've placed one under yours that uses the same theory without
difficulty.
> > One tip is to preselect all the points in one row and then click the
> > Horizontal Constraint tool. All are applied at once.
> >
> > Neil
>
>

[Anonymous]

I can't explain why it happens, but I have noticed that the centers of
projected geometry holes (even when changed to normal) do not always
behave as normal sketch entities. As in the case of your part, the
points were fully constrained without being constrained or dimensioned
from the edges of the part. You also could not delete constraints
without first deleting at least one dimension. This is not the first
release I have seen this problem on, but could never reproduce when
trying, so never reported. I always though it was just my talents
showing through.


Dave Hoder wrote:
> Thanks for the tip Neil. I didn't know you could select multiples & use a
> horiz or vert constraint on all. Normally I wouldn't do anything like this &
> would use some construction geometry or just project them. This just
> happened to be made from another part using save as & I needed to re-center
> some already existing projected holes, so since the geometry was already
> there why not just throw some constraints & run with it. This is one of
> those cases (which happens all to often) where it would have taken 20
> seconds to just delete the holes & rebuild them properly but I spend 1/2
> hour trying to fix something that should just work in the first place.
> Sometimes I just want to smash things. 😉
> EIGHT FREAKIN' DOTS!
>

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

W2K SP4
Dell Precision 650
Dual 2.66 GHz Xeon
1.5 GB DDR
Quadro4 900 XGL
nVidia 6.14.10.4472 w/registry update
Dell UltraSharp 19" LCD

[Anonymous]

newbie question... Is there a way to window in these points and delete
all the constraints at once? I notice you can shift-add to make
deleting a little faster.

[Anonymous]

Edit the sketch and then hold down the LMB and drag a window. It should
select them all and then delete.

Kathy Johnson

[Anonymous]

Is there a way to delete just the constraints, not the sketch
elements?



On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:08:20 -0800, "KJohnson"
wrote:

>Edit the sketch and then hold down the LMB and drag a window. It should
>select them all and then delete.
>
>Kathy Johnson
>

[Anonymous]

Sorry I did not see about the constraints. I don't know any way to delete
constraints all at once. You can turn all the constraints on the the sketch
at once. RMB and it will show up in the little box.

Kathy Johnson

[Anonymous]

Not sure if its any faster but ctrl and select each constraint box all will high light then delete all at once. It faster then deleting each individually but selection still requires more time.