Server Busy ! ! !

[Anonymous]

Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've got the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing it - I even get to miss it some times

The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ... button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
left hand corner of my monitor.

Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to stop worrying about Micro$oft ?


--
P4, 1.9 GHz
1.5Gb RAM, 4Gb page
Win X/P sp2
AIS 9 sp2
Vault 3
Nvidia Quadro4 980 XGL
(Bios 4.28.20.33.01) (Drv. 7.1.8.4)

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs

[Anonymous]

Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
strange ones.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've got
the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing it -
I even get to miss it some times

The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
left hand corner of my monitor.

Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
stop worrying about Micro$oft ?


--
P4, 1.9 GHz
1.5Gb RAM, 4Gb page
Win X/P sp2
AIS 9 sp2
Vault 3
Nvidia Quadro4 980 XGL
(Bios 4.28.20.33.01) (Drv. 7.1.8.4)

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs

[Anonymous]

That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

I don't know exactly why that could happen in that scenario, though it's
likely that something is happening behind the scenes that is
COM-related. Perhaps others can comment on that specific scenario.

COM stands for Component Object Model, a technology developed by
Microsoft several years ago that supports inter-process, and even
inter-computer interaction. If you're interested at all in the "nitty
gritty", msdn.microsoft.com is an excellent resource.

Jeff

Duncan Anderson wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.
>
> Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM based operations ?
>
> The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.
>
> I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
> box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But there's no consistency. It usually happens when
> Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a file or opening a file from Vault etc.
>
> Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
> things.
>
> I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.
>
>
> TIA
>

[Anonymous]

Yep ... never seen it here. Maybe an OS repair is in order.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4896052@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM
based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using
Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But
there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a
file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to
somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv
users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've
> got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing
> it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

I've just got 'god' rights back - same as god-IT wizard or GIT-Wizard

Ran NSW2003 One Button Check - have a guess how many COM related faults were found in the O/S. Fixed them all and Inv runs a lot
smoother.

So far, no Server Busy messages (^__^)


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message news:4896907@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... never seen it here. Maybe an OS repair is in order.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4896052@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM
based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using
Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But
there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a
file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to
somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv
users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Yep ... things can get messy. Any time I have someth'n go a'whack, I just
restore my drive image ('bout half-an-hour) and I'm pristine again.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4897527@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just got 'god' rights back - same as god-IT wizard or GIT-Wizard

Ran NSW2003 One Button Check - have a guess how many COM related faults were
found in the O/S. Fixed them all and Inv runs a lot
smoother.

So far, no Server Busy messages (^__^)


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:4896907@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... never seen it here. Maybe an OS repair is in order.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4896052@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM
based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using
Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But
there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a
file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to
somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv
users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've
> got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing
> it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

I h ave also been getting this Server Busy thing but it was mostly when
there was crash for AIS9.0 SP-III, although it doesnt happen everytime. Only
sometime.

Duncan, can u give me more detail abt the "NSW2003'

Regards
Rahul

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:4898548@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... things can get messy. Any time I have someth'n go a'whack, I just
restore my drive image ('bout half-an-hour) and I'm pristine again.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4897527@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just got 'god' rights back - same as god-IT wizard or GIT-Wizard

Ran NSW2003 One Button Check - have a guess how many COM related faults were
found in the O/S. Fixed them all and Inv runs a lot
smoother.

So far, no Server Busy messages (^__^)


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:4896907@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... never seen it here. Maybe an OS repair is in order.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4896052@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM
based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using
Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But
there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a
file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to
somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv
users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've
> got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing
> it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Think he's talking Norton ...Symantec stuff. Used to be Norton Utilities I
think.
~Larry

"Rahul" wrote in message
news:4898725@discussion.autodesk.com...
I h ave also been getting this Server Busy thing but it was mostly when
there was crash for AIS9.0 SP-III, although it doesnt happen everytime. Only
sometime.

Duncan, can u give me more detail abt the "NSW2003'

Regards
Rahul

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:4898548@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... things can get messy. Any time I have someth'n go a'whack, I just
restore my drive image ('bout half-an-hour) and I'm pristine again.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4897527@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've just got 'god' rights back - same as god-IT wizard or GIT-Wizard

Ran NSW2003 One Button Check - have a guess how many COM related faults were
found in the O/S. Fixed them all and Inv runs a lot
smoother.

So far, no Server Busy messages (^__^)


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:4896907@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yep ... never seen it here. Maybe an OS repair is in order.
~Larry

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4896052@discussion.autodesk.com...
Jeff,

If your technical explanation is 100% correct then I've got a problem.

Do the COM based operation have to be Inv based ? Can they be other COM
based operations ?

The reason I ask is because your scenario doesn't quite fit.

I usually get it midway through an operation - such as opening a file. Using
Open as an example, I'll get the Open file dialogue
box, I can then select a file and the Server busy message appears. But
there's no consistency. It usually happens when
Inv is interacting witht the outside world, such as open a file, saving a
file or opening a file from Vault etc.

Could you give a brief definition of COM - I know it's a computer term - to
somebody who knows diddly squat about these sorts of
things.

I assume from Larry's posting this isn't a regular occurrence with other Inv
users. Any help in sorting this would be appreciated.


TIA

--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Jeff Pek (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4896032@discussion.autodesk.com...
That message comes up when Inventor is doing COM-based operations.
Often, this is associated with add-ins (e.g., Content Center), but not
always. To get technical, this comes up when a COM operation has taken
longer than 8 seconds (approximately), and the user tries to interact
with Inventor. The dialog comes up to make it clear that something is
indeed happening, and it's not just "hung".

If you see the dialog, you should hit the "Retry" button, and typically
the operation completes normally.

If you note specific scenarios where you're seeing this dialog, please
let us know about it; perhaps we can take steps to reduce the likelihood
of its occurrence.

Thanks!
Jeff

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Sounds like someth'n I'd get Duncan. Strange, eh? First thought was Vault
> uses SQL but you say it pre-dates Vault. Yep ... thought I got all the
> strange ones.
> ~Larry
>
> "Duncan Anderson" wrote in
> message news:4895983@discussion.autodesk.com.
> Ever since I started with Inv - when we had coal power computers - I've
> got
> the Server Busy message box. It doesn't appear under any
> particular circumstances and sometimes I might go weeks without seeing
> it -
> I even get to miss it some times
>
> The point is, I don't run from a server and when I click the Switch to ...
> button I get the Windoze Start menu pop up in the bottom
> left hand corner of my monitor.
>
> Anyway ... it's come back with a vengeance and seems to be appearing more
> frequently. Has anybody got any suggestions as to how I
> can keep Inv mind on the job of producing drawings and models etc and to
> stop worrying about Micro$oft ?
>
>