Replace Component Never Has Worked right

[Anonymous]

When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who has
used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the same
part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I have
not changed the surfaces.
Jerry

[Anonymous]

Man am I griping today or what?

"Jerry Chasek" wrote in message
news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who has
> used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the same
> part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I have
> not changed the surfaces.
> Jerry
>
>

[Anonymous]

It's works as designed. If you have a different part then it's a different
part (even if it looks identical).

A tip for the future:

Open the part to be replaced and "Save Copy As.." to the new name. Close
the original file (without making any changes to it) and return to the
assembly. Issue the Replace Component command on the original part and
select the newly saved copy as the replacement. It will look identical to
the old part. All of your constraints will remain intact. This only works
however if you do not open the copied part before replacing and make no
changes to the original after you have saved off the copy. This works
because you are fooling IV into thinking this is the same part as the
original and the part is not dirtied.


--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Jerry Chasek" wrote in message
news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who has
> used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the same
> part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I have
> not changed the surfaces.
> Jerry
>
>

[Anonymous]

Jerry,
I've had it work adequately the dozen or so times I've used it. The
replacement parts position themselves in the same place that the old parts
were in-minus the constraints. Meaning my assembly is virtually unchanged,
the replacement part is where it's supposed to be, except for the loss of
assembly constraints. I do have the parts fully contrained before I replace
them.

Is there something specific that you are noticing?

kevin

"Jerry Chasek" wrote in message
news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who has
> used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the same
> part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I have
> not changed the surfaces.
> Jerry
>
>

[Anonymous]

Sean Dotson wrote:
> It's works as designed. If you have a different part then it's a different
> part (even if it looks identical).
>
> A tip for the future:
>
> Open the part to be replaced and "Save Copy As.." to the new name. Close
> the original file (without making any changes to it) and return to the
> assembly. Issue the Replace Component command on the original part and
> select the newly saved copy as the replacement. It will look identical to
> the old part. All of your constraints will remain intact. This only works
> however if you do not open the copied part before replacing and make no
> changes to the original after you have saved off the copy. This works
> because you are fooling IV into thinking this is the same part as the
> original and the part is not dirtied.
>

I use the technique Sean has described on a very regular basis. Works
very well. When replacing a part that was copied and then modified,
retention of the constraints cannot be relied on. I have had a few that
retained constraints initially, but then lost them at later modifications.

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Dell Precision 650
Dual 2.66 GHz Xeon
1.5 GB DDR
Quadro4 900 XGL
nVidia 6.14.10.4201 drivers
Dell UltraSharp 19" LCD

[Anonymous]

It has worked for me every time, unless as Sean said I changed the original
part before closing and re-opening.

[Anonymous]

Kevin,

If you follow Sean's instructions exactly, the constraints will not be lost
when you replace the part. I always use this method. Save Copy as and then
replace component before making any modifications to the copied part.
Obviously if you need to replace a part with an already existing part then
the constraints will probably get broken.

--
Cheers,

--Rob Singlehurst
"Kevin Snyder" wrote in message
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> Jerry,
> I've had it work adequately the dozen or so times I've used it. The
> replacement parts position themselves in the same place that the old parts
> were in-minus the constraints. Meaning my assembly is virtually
unchanged,
> the replacement part is where it's supposed to be, except for the loss of
> assembly constraints. I do have the parts fully contrained before I
replace
> them.
>
> Is there something specific that you are noticing?
>
> kevin

[Anonymous]

I have used the method that Sean describes to create hundreds on variations
of the same product. The variation in the product is simply the length of a
piece of box tubing 3 levels down in a sub-assembly. My constraints are
never blown away as long as I follow the procedure. What I cannot do is
replace a component with a component that already exists. In this case, I
go find the assembly that I created that component for and copy it and make
my changes. It works for our product, but I understand that it won't work
for a lot of other applications.

-Mike

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:9752E2AD9100CF46C8B91CB03938B908@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's works as designed. If you have a different part then it's a
different
> part (even if it looks identical).
>
> A tip for the future:
>
> Open the part to be replaced and "Save Copy As.." to the new name. Close
> the original file (without making any changes to it) and return to the
> assembly. Issue the Replace Component command on the original part and
> select the newly saved copy as the replacement. It will look identical to
> the old part. All of your constraints will remain intact. This only
works
> however if you do not open the copied part before replacing and make no
> changes to the original after you have saved off the copy. This works
> because you are fooling IV into thinking this is the same part as the
> original and the part is not dirtied.
>
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Anonymous]

Maybe if you use "infer imates" to create a composite i-mate, then use the
imate to constrain to the assembly. Create the same for your changed part,
that would prevent you from having to constrain everything seperately.

Jerry

"Jerry Chasek" schreef in bericht
news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who has
> used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the same
> part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I have
> not changed the surfaces.
> Jerry
>
>

[Anonymous]

Rob (et all)

I mostly use replace component to bring in a new version of my
customer's part. I'll try Sean's suggestion the next time. I'm a little
confused by the method though.

Say I have part_original_version in my assembly. I want to replace it
with part_version2. I should do what, save my part_original_version as
what, part_version2? Won't I be overwriting the part that has the new name?
Unless of course I have the new part in a different directory, but then
won't IV have a problem finding it the next time I open the assembly?

kevin

It's still to early for thinking, not enough coffee, not enough sleep last
night etc. ....


"Rob Singlehurst" wrote in message
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> Kevin,
>
> If you follow Sean's instructions exactly, the constraints will not be
lost
> when you replace the part. I always use this method. Save Copy as and
then
> replace component before making any modifications to the copied part.
> Obviously if you need to replace a part with an already existing part then
> the constraints will probably get broken.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> --Rob Singlehurst
> "Kevin Snyder" wrote in message
> news:D50F10B6BADE1CC46B9B8EC435C5001E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jerry,
> > I've had it work adequately the dozen or so times I've used it. The
> > replacement parts position themselves in the same place that the old
parts
> > were in-minus the constraints. Meaning my assembly is virtually
> unchanged,
> > the replacement part is where it's supposed to be, except for the loss
of
> > assembly constraints. I do have the parts fully contrained before I
> replace
> > them.
> >
> > Is there something specific that you are noticing?
> >
> > kevin
>
>

[Anonymous]

"Won't I be overwriting the part that has the new name?"

You should copy the part to part_version2 first. There should not be any part to
overwrite as this is the part you are now creating. IOW, Think ahead and do not
create a new part, then try to replace the component with the newly create one.
Even though they might look the same, IV does not see it that way. Replace the
component with an exact copy of first but with a new name, THEN edit it as
required. This is the only way to true "replace" a component. (After all, how
would IV know where to map mates too???)

--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer

[Anonymous]

Part A is original part
Part B is the part you want to replace A with

The trick works if Part B (which has not been created yet) is very similar
to part A but slightly different. You Save Copy As.. A to B then replace A
with B. So it looks like nothing has changed. Now open B and edit to make
your changes.

This does not work if you already have a part B finished and want to replace
A.

Jerry's composite iMates idea has merit but that would take some testing and
forethought (I usually end up in these situations by accident anyway). It
might be interesting to try this.

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Kevin Snyder" wrote in message
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> Rob (et all)
>
> I mostly use replace component to bring in a new version of my
> customer's part. I'll try Sean's suggestion the next time. I'm a little
> confused by the method though.
>
> Say I have part_original_version in my assembly. I want to replace it
> with part_version2. I should do what, save my part_original_version as
> what, part_version2? Won't I be overwriting the part that has the new
name?
> Unless of course I have the new part in a different directory, but then
> won't IV have a problem finding it the next time I open the assembly?
>
> kevin
>
> It's still to early for thinking, not enough coffee, not enough sleep last
> night etc. ....
>
>
> "Rob Singlehurst" wrote in message
> news:890309403DB3880B777A2B2176EC1ECD@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Kevin,
> >
> > If you follow Sean's instructions exactly, the constraints will not be
> lost
> > when you replace the part. I always use this method. Save Copy as and
> then
> > replace component before making any modifications to the copied part.
> > Obviously if you need to replace a part with an already existing part
then
> > the constraints will probably get broken.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --Rob Singlehurst
> > "Kevin Snyder" wrote in message
> > news:D50F10B6BADE1CC46B9B8EC435C5001E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Jerry,
> > > I've had it work adequately the dozen or so times I've used it.
The
> > > replacement parts position themselves in the same place that the old
> parts
> > > were in-minus the constraints. Meaning my assembly is virtually
> > unchanged,
> > > the replacement part is where it's supposed to be, except for the loss
> of
> > > assembly constraints. I do have the parts fully contrained before I
> > replace
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Is there something specific that you are noticing?
> > >
> > > kevin
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

It works fine when the new part doesn't yet exist. But it's a pain when you
want to replace a part with a standard part that already exists. The only
way is to just replace and then mend all of the constraints afterwards.

--
Cheers,

--Rob Singlehurst
"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> Part A is original part
> Part B is the part you want to replace A with
>
> The trick works if Part B (which has not been created yet) is very similar
> to part A but slightly different. You Save Copy As.. A to B then replace
A
> with B. So it looks like nothing has changed. Now open B and edit to
make
> your changes.
>
> This does not work if you already have a part B finished and want to
replace
> A.
>
> Jerry's composite iMates idea has merit but that would take some testing
and
> forethought (I usually end up in these situations by accident anyway). It
> might be interesting to try this.
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Anonymous]

I get it...

I wasn't using "Replace Component" the same way you guys are.

kevin

[Anonymous]

I agree with Jerry that is it frustrating that even a minor change unrelated
to any constraints on the part will result in all of the constraints being
lost. We are well aware of the process Sean is describing and use it
successfully, but this tool really should be a little more robust. Or
should be renamed to something like "Replace Component-without constraints."
:)
I frequently run into the scenario mentioned in one of the other posts on
this topic of I have an assembly and I just need to bring in three different
parts that are all pre-existing. All of those parts started life from the
one currently in my assembly, but I can't bring them in cleanly. Maybe I
need to set up more templates with I-mates.

--
Greg Purviance
Pearson Packaging Systems
www.pearsonpkg.com

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:9752E2AD9100CF46C8B91CB03938B908@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> It's works as designed. If you have a different part then it's a
different
> part (even if it looks identical).
>
> A tip for the future:
>
> Open the part to be replaced and "Save Copy As.." to the new name. Close
> the original file (without making any changes to it) and return to the
> assembly. Issue the Replace Component command on the original part and
> select the newly saved copy as the replacement. It will look identical to
> the old part. All of your constraints will remain intact. This only
works
> however if you do not open the copied part before replacing and make no
> changes to the original after you have saved off the copy. This works
> because you are fooling IV into thinking this is the same part as the
> original and the part is not dirtied.
>
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Jerry Chasek" wrote in message
> news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who
has
> > used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the
same
> > part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I
have
> > not changed the surfaces.
> > Jerry
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

"Maybe I need to set up more templates with I-mates."

For "same as but replace" assemblies this is the way to go.


--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Greg Purviance" wrote in message
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> I agree with Jerry that is it frustrating that even a minor change
unrelated
> to any constraints on the part will result in all of the constraints being
> lost. We are well aware of the process Sean is describing and use it
> successfully, but this tool really should be a little more robust. Or
> should be renamed to something like "Replace Component-without
constraints."
> 🙂
> I frequently run into the scenario mentioned in one of the other posts on
> this topic of I have an assembly and I just need to bring in three
different
> parts that are all pre-existing. All of those parts started life from the
> one currently in my assembly, but I can't bring them in cleanly. Maybe I
> need to set up more templates with I-mates.
>
> --
> Greg Purviance
> Pearson Packaging Systems
> www.pearsonpkg.com
>
> "Sean Dotson" wrote in message
> news:9752E2AD9100CF46C8B91CB03938B908@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > It's works as designed. If you have a different part then it's a
> different
> > part (even if it looks identical).
> >
> > A tip for the future:
> >
> > Open the part to be replaced and "Save Copy As.." to the new name.
Close
> > the original file (without making any changes to it) and return to the
> > assembly. Issue the Replace Component command on the original part and
> > select the newly saved copy as the replacement. It will look identical
to
> > the old part. All of your constraints will remain intact. This only
> works
> > however if you do not open the copied part before replacing and make no
> > changes to the original after you have saved off the copy. This works
> > because you are fooling IV into thinking this is the same part as the
> > original and the part is not dirtied.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sean Dotson, PE
> > http://www.sdotson.com
> > Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> > www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > "Jerry Chasek" wrote in message
> > news:70D0A41337C02803807FAAA564A5BBC5@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > When I have a tool, I expect it to work correctly not half-a****. Who
> has
> > > used this tool with excellent results? And I am replacing exactly the
> same
> > > part with minor modifications.All of the mates should work because I
> have
> > > not changed the surfaces.
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>