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safiredesignengineers
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renaming parts

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12-02-2011 06:35 AM

hey group

 

is it possible to simply rename a part?

I quite often make up quick parts to try stuff out and call them random things but if I want to change the name it is not just a simple case of renaming the part as a few things need updating.

 

is there a simple quick way to rename a part in one hit without going through other stuff?

 

regards Adrian

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harco
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Message 2 of 12 (1,676 Views)

Re: renaming parts

12-02-2011 12:07 PM in reply to: safiredesignengineers

Quickest way is just to rename in windows explorer.

You will lose the references to the part in assemblies,drawings and derived parts.

On opening any of these files just point to the newly renamed part.

For multiple parts you need an excellent memory or meticulous notes.

 

Remember if they are used elsewhere all where used references need to be updated.

 

If you have a lot to do, use design assistant, but beware that you cannot rename parts to existing names in one step, unless you do a copy to another folder rather than rename.

 

Alternatively save copy as new name then replace which is about the same effort as the explorer rename.

A few different ways but no simple rename - finished, as references must be maintained and the filename is the reference.

I may be wrong but I think Vault will rename and update references, Vault users should be able to confirm yea or nay.

 

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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 12:20 AM in reply to: safiredesignengineers

Hi Harco

 

thanks for your reply, this is somthing that should be made easier. for an instance if you make an error when naming a part e.g a spelling mistake then it should be just a case of editing the name and done, but it seems such a work up to do such a simple task?

 

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sbixler
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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 07:45 AM in reply to: safiredesignengineers
> but it seems such a work up to do such a simple task?

 

It's a simple task to name in words, but so is "cold fusion".  What is Inventor supposed to assume when you rename a part?  Start searching the current project for references?  Start searching the entire drive?  All drives to which your computer has access?  How on earth could Inventor possibly know the scope of the change you are making?  Even if you're using Vault, making searching unneccessary, you could have references in lots of places; should Inventor simply assume that you want to change them all?  If I'm understanding your request correctly, you'd like Inventor to read your mind.  You might check the Labs site to see if that add-on is posted yet....

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safiredesignengineers
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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 08:28 AM in reply to: sbixler

Wow Sam, do you work for Autodesk?  I would guess so if you are comparing the renaming of a part to "cold Fusion" or even "mind reading"  8-)

 

Rgrds  Adrian

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sbixler
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Message 6 of 12 (1,610 Views)

Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 09:25 AM in reply to: safiredesignengineers

I'm curious how you would expect this to work?  Right click on a component in an assembly and pick "Rename"?  Then what?  It offers you a Rename Part dialog box?  You type the name you want, hit OK, then what happens?  The part/assembly file is renamed, and the current assembly's reference to that part/assembly file is updated.  Now what?  What about other files that reference that component?  Drawings, other assemblies, derived parts?  How does Inventor know what to do without reading your mind?

 

No, I don't work for Autodesk.  But I have a certain amount of sympathy for programmers who get told by users that the new functionality they want is simple.

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safiredesignengineers
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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 09:56 AM in reply to: sbixler

Sam, i guess your having a bad hair day!  8P

 

I use, edit and build a database and if i change a field name it updates the field, the table, the relationships (comlicated), it updates the forms and any calulation (really complicated) that it appears in. it works simply and effortlessley. it is a program on a computer.

 

now in this scenario you are assuming that the name to be changed is a part that has gone through many processes and is used in many files and drawings etc..

But I am talking about at the creation of the design stage when a lot of data is unknown or if it is a typo and it needs editing. this means there is no other files involved. I guess once a part has got pass the initial design stages it can be locked down as a final version this would not be changed as a general rule of thumb and would need a process to make sure all parts are up dated as required.

 

 

 

 

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sbixler
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Message 8 of 12 (1,596 Views)

Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 10:24 AM in reply to: safiredesignengineers

Nope, never have bad hair days...

 

>> But I am talking about at the creation of the design stage when a lot of data is unknown or if it is a typo and it needs editing. this means there is no other files involved.

 

I understand that at this point in a project it's simple.  But how on earth can you expect Inventor to know that you're at this point in a project?  If the programmers give you a button to change part names early in the project, other users are going to expect it to work for them any time they want, which will potentially wreak havoc in their designs.  Then they'll be screaming at the programmers for all kinds of unintended consequences they didn't foresee.

 

Nothing wrong with asking for additional functions in the application.  But asking for something that is in a completely different kind of application and then suggesting that since it exists there it should be easy to do in Inventor is rather insulting to the people responsible for Inventor.

 

I imagine that what you want to do might be relatively easy to accomplish in Vault (a database), but since I don't use Vault, I can't be sure.

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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 10:34 AM in reply to: sbixler

Hi Sam

 

I think your over engineering the problem / solution. I think that most designers will know if they are using or editing a "stock" part or a new part. if really required a warning window could pop up to warn of potential issues and this can have a simple ok or cancle button. I don't use vault and I am sure this will handle your issues much better, but on a project level this should not  be a problem to solve 8-)

 

rgds Adrian

 

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harco
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Re: renaming parts

12-05-2011 11:09 AM in reply to: safiredesignengineers

In general I agree with Sam but not quite so vociferously.

I also agree with you Adrian as far as database is concerned but basic Inventor is not a database, Vault is the database.

Inventor is a stand alone program and can only save, save copy as or save as the same as Word,Excel, Photoshop etc which cannot rename files either.

Can you give an example of a program which can rename files while they are open, this would be contrary to Windows file management would it not.

The only program I can think of which could do what you require would be Mechanical Desktop but only when all references were contained in the parent file, don't even go there!!!

Because of the references to other files you need an intermediate program to maintain links if you alter file names.

If you are on a small project with limited references Design assistant will rename and update references as you require.

 

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