Question for Kent, Part II

[Anonymous]

I have become heavily dependant upon your KWiKsert program to place
fasteners (iParts, not library parts) in my assemblies. However, in my
current assembly, I have a bunch of liners with countersunk holes into which
I am trying to KWiKsert Flat Head Socket Cap Screws, without much success.
I need to constrain the base of the flat head (where the countersunk angled
face of the head meets the body of the bolt) to the base of the countersunk
portion of the hole in the liner. When I pick those features, I get the
attached error message. KWiKsert will go ahead and place the bolt, but it
either wont be in the proper orientation (going through the hole the wrong
direction) or it aligns with a different surface so that it is not setting
all of the way in the hole. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for your help. Like I said, I use this tool a lot.

Blane

[Anonymous]

One other note...

When I manually constrain the flat head cap screw using the Insert
constraint, I have to change the solution from Opposed to Aligned in order
to get the bolt going through the hole in the right direction. However,
using KWiKsert, that option is disabled.

Blane

[Anonymous]

Hi Blane

Glad you like it 8^)

It has been a while since I dug through that code, but when you pick a hole I am pretty
sure it has to be on a Face. About the only think I could suggest is to select the top of
the countersunk bolt and the top of the hole, and use whatever offset you need to get it
right. I build my iPart screws to match my standard countersink, so I use that method
without any offset.

Charles is pushing to get me to look at some cases where KWiKSert has problems with
surfaces or something so If I find time to look into that I will see if there is any
possibility of making do what you want. At this point I am guessing it isn't going to be
possible though.

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"BTBeilke" wrote in message
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> I have become heavily dependant upon your KWiKsert program to place
> fasteners (iParts, not library parts) in my assemblies. However, in my
> current assembly, I have a bunch of liners with countersunk holes into which
> I am trying to KWiKsert Flat Head Socket Cap Screws, without much success.
> I need to constrain the base of the flat head (where the countersunk angled
> face of the head meets the body of the bolt) to the base of the countersunk
> portion of the hole in the liner. When I pick those features, I get the
> attached error message. KWiKsert will go ahead and place the bolt, but it
> either wont be in the proper orientation (going through the hole the wrong
> direction) or it aligns with a different surface so that it is not setting
> all of the way in the hole. Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Thanks for your help. Like I said, I use this tool a lot.
>
> Blane
>
>


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[Anonymous]

I was also looking into the problem when I ran into a roadblock with
derived components and surfaces. I was unable to get past that. I am
not saying it can't be done, only that I reached a level of frustration
and went on to other things.

Kent Keller wrote:

>Hi Blane
>
>Glad you like it 8^)
>
>It has been a while since I dug through that code, but when you pick a hole I am pretty
>sure it has to be on a Face. About the only think I could suggest is to select the top of
>the countersunk bolt and the top of the hole, and use whatever offset you need to get it
>right. I build my iPart screws to match my standard countersink, so I use that method
>without any offset.
>
> Charles is pushing to get me to look at some cases where KWiKSert has problems with
>surfaces or something so If I find time to look into that I will see if there is any
>possibility of making do what you want. At this point I am guessing it isn't going to be
>possible though.
>
>--
>Kent
>Assistant Moderator
>Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
>
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Charles,

Funny you should mention derived parts. When I got to playing around with
this problem tonight, I discovered that KWiKsert works perfectly with the
countersunk holes on most of my liners. It just so happens that the liner I
tried to put the flat head cap screws into first was a part derived (a
mirror image) of another liner. I only had a problem with 2 liners and they
were both derived (mirrored) from other parts. Nonetheless, the program put
the cap screws into the holes on the derived liners, but they were going
through the hole in the wrong direction. All I had to do was edit the
constraint created by KWiKsert and change it from Opposed to Aligned and
then they were just where I wanted them. Perhaps the program could make
this change automatically when a derived part is detected?

Thanks to both of you for all of your help and the great tools you have
shared with the rest of us.

Blane

[Anonymous]

Blane can you send me the assembly so I can look at what is going on. I
probably won't be able to look into the code for a while, but would like
to have a example to work with when I do get to it.

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"BTBeilke" wrote in message
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> Charles,
>
> Funny you should mention derived parts. When I got to playing around
with
> this problem tonight, I discovered that KWiKsert works perfectly with
the
> countersunk holes on most of my liners. It just so happens that the
liner I
> tried to put the flat head cap screws into first was a part derived (a
> mirror image) of another liner. I only had a problem with 2 liners
and they
> were both derived (mirrored) from other parts.

[Anonymous]

Kent,

I'd be happy to. Actually, my current assembly is rather large, but I'll
make a smaller version using some of the same parts and sent it to you this
weekend.

Blane