Problems shelling a simple tube design

[Anonymous]

Someone please help.

Can someone explain why I'm getting an error shelling a simple tube? The
part shells fine with one or two branches, but when I change the rectangular
pattern to 3 occurances, I get an error.

This question will probably make much more sense when you look at the file
under ICF.

Thanks for any help.

[Anonymous]

Don't believe your post made it to ivCF, Greg.

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"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:963C14E2E635284543025A7584CF9938@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Someone please help.
>
> Can someone explain why I'm getting an error shelling a simple tube? The
> part shells fine with one or two branches, but when I change the rectangular
> pattern to 3 occurances, I get an error.
>
> This question will probably make much more sense when you look at the file
> under ICF.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Jeff,
It's there, but I think it's an R8 file.
darvin

"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
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> Don't believe your post made it to ivCF, Greg.
>
> =================
>
> "Greg_L" wrote in message
> news:963C14E2E635284543025A7584CF9938@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Someone please help.
> >
> > Can someone explain why I'm getting an error shelling a simple tube?
The
> > part shells fine with one or two branches, but when I change the
rectangular
> > pattern to 3 occurances, I get an error.
> >
> > This question will probably make much more sense when you look at
the file
> > under ICF.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

It may be in your cache, but it was removed a while back. 8^)

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"darvinv" wrote in message
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> Jeff,
> It's there, but I think it's an R8 file.
> darvin
>
> "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> news:AB3DD334B5D16A8B80CF4F6BBB03EE8B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Don't believe your post made it to ivCF, Greg.
> >

[Anonymous]

Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
darvin

"Kent Keller" wrote in message
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> It may be in your cache, but it was removed a while back. 8^)
>
> --
> Kent Keller
> http://www.MyMcad.com/KWiK/Mcad.htm
>
> Assistant Moderator
> Autodesk Discussion Forum Moderator Program
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:23A2DE8A7E9CF3848A584D6CACC283DF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jeff,
> > It's there, but I think it's an R8 file.
> > darvin
> >
> > "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> > news:AB3DD334B5D16A8B80CF4F6BBB03EE8B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Don't believe your post made it to ivCF, Greg.
> > >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into something anyway.
8~)

====================

"darvinv" wrote in message
news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> darvin

[Anonymous]

Oops. I goofed.

Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I posted the new
file just a few minutes ago under ICF.

Thanks for the help.


"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into something anyway.
> 8~)
>
> ====================
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > darvin
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.

Loren Jahraus
Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team

"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Oops. I goofed.
>
> Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I posted the
new
> file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
> "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into something
anyway.
> > 8~)
> >
> > ====================
> >
> > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > darvin
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

That's good. 8~)

Greg, it's just a bug. If you need the part, derive the solid body and shell
the derived part.

======================

"Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in message
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> The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
>
> Loren Jahraus
> Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
>

[Anonymous]

Loren,

Actually, I tried the shell using build 057d and still got the error. I
have no problem shelling the entire part (removing only the end faces of the
three small tubes), shelling the entire part (removing no faces), shelling
the entire part (removing the end faces of the three small tubes and the
front and back faces of the big tube), but I can't shell and remove the
three small tubes and only ONE face of the big tube. I have the same
problem with either version. Let me know if you have the same result.

Thanks

Greg Lock
Ceric, Inc.

"Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:1296C7E78065928C63A93322E85EBF21@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
>
> Loren Jahraus
> Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
>
> "Greg_L" wrote in message
> news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Oops. I goofed.
> >
> > Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I posted the
> new
> > file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> > news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into something
> anyway.
> > > 8~)
> > >
> > > ====================
> > >
> > > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > > darvin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

grag,
Put a little (2.5 mm works) on the sweep, move it up and add it to
the pattern. Then the shell solves.
darvin

"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:46551BB18F027B21979ED4EADF1A0BE7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Loren,
>
> Actually, I tried the shell using build 057d and still got the error.
I
> have no problem shelling the entire part (removing only the end faces
of the
> three small tubes), shelling the entire part (removing no faces),
shelling
> the entire part (removing the end faces of the three small tubes and
the
> front and back faces of the big tube), but I can't shell and remove
the
> three small tubes and only ONE face of the big tube. I have the same
> problem with either version. Let me know if you have the same result.
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg Lock
> Ceric, Inc.
>
> "Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in
message
> news:1296C7E78065928C63A93322E85EBF21@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
> >
> > Loren Jahraus
> > Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
> >
> > "Greg_L" wrote in message
> > news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Oops. I goofed.
> > >
> > > Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I
posted the
> > new
> > > file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff Howard" wrote in
message
> > > news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into
something
> > anyway.
> > > > 8~)
> > > >
> > > > ====================
> > > >
> > > > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > > > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > > > darvin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Darvin,

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Is it possible to put your example in
ICF?

Thanks,

Greg

"darvinv" wrote in message
news:4A87D1C104CAC31D64A5EA6D15A1F628@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> grag,
> Put a little (2.5 mm works) on the sweep, move it up and add it to
> the pattern. Then the shell solves.
> darvin
>
> "Greg_L" wrote in message
> news:46551BB18F027B21979ED4EADF1A0BE7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Loren,
> >
> > Actually, I tried the shell using build 057d and still got the error.
> I
> > have no problem shelling the entire part (removing only the end faces
> of the
> > three small tubes), shelling the entire part (removing no faces),
> shelling
> > the entire part (removing the end faces of the three small tubes and
> the
> > front and back faces of the big tube), but I can't shell and remove
> the
> > three small tubes and only ONE face of the big tube. I have the same
> > problem with either version. Let me know if you have the same result.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Greg Lock
> > Ceric, Inc.
> >
> > "Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in
> message
> > news:1296C7E78065928C63A93322E85EBF21@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
> > >
> > > Loren Jahraus
> > > Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
> > >
> > > "Greg_L" wrote in message
> > > news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Oops. I goofed.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I
> posted the
> > > new
> > > > file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Jeff Howard" wrote in
> message
> > > > news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into
> something
> > > anyway.
> > > > > 8~)
> > > > >
> > > > > ====================
> > > > >
> > > > > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > > > > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > > > > darvin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Sorry, already burned it. Just put a small fillet (2.5 mm) at the
junction of the sweep and the extrusion. Then drag it up above right
below the sweep. Edit the pattern and add the fillet. Watch the shell
solve.
darvin

"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:6263E4FA7A9F2C3692EE984FD6249614@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Darvin,
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Is it possible to put your
example in
> ICF?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:4A87D1C104CAC31D64A5EA6D15A1F628@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > grag,
> > Put a little (2.5 mm works) on the sweep, move it up and add it
to
> > the pattern. Then the shell solves.
> > darvin
> >
> > "Greg_L" wrote in message
> > news:46551BB18F027B21979ED4EADF1A0BE7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Loren,
> > >
> > > Actually, I tried the shell using build 057d and still got the
error.
> > I
> > > have no problem shelling the entire part (removing only the end
faces
> > of the
> > > three small tubes), shelling the entire part (removing no faces),
> > shelling
> > > the entire part (removing the end faces of the three small tubes
and
> > the
> > > front and back faces of the big tube), but I can't shell and
remove
> > the
> > > three small tubes and only ONE face of the big tube. I have the
same
> > > problem with either version. Let me know if you have the same
result.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Greg Lock
> > > Ceric, Inc.
> > >
> > > "Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in
> > message
> > > news:1296C7E78065928C63A93322E85EBF21@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
> > > >
> > > > Loren Jahraus
> > > > Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
> > > >
> > > > "Greg_L" wrote in message
> > > > news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Oops. I goofed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I
> > posted the
> > > > new
> > > > > file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Jeff Howard" wrote in
> > message
> > > > > news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into
> > something
> > > > anyway.
> > > > > > 8~)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ====================
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > > > > > darvin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

greg,
Check iCF for two solutions, under your thread. #2 (-dd2) is better,
as it retains your sharp intersections.
darvin


"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:6263E4FA7A9F2C3692EE984FD6249614@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Darvin,
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Is it possible to put your
example in
> ICF?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:4A87D1C104CAC31D64A5EA6D15A1F628@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > grag,
> > Put a little (2.5 mm works) on the sweep, move it up and add it
to
> > the pattern. Then the shell solves.
> > darvin
> >

[Anonymous]

Good find, Darvin. Did you try it after filleting each pattern instance
seperately? 8~)

Greg, sorry to waste your time. I wasn't paying attention and excluded all 5
planar faces when I tried it (works with the original part, too).

=====================

"darvinv" wrote in message
news:FAE23A7C238823727359B267BFA3D6B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Sorry, already burned it. Just put a small fillet (2.5 mm) at the
> junction of the sweep and the extrusion. Then drag it up above right
> below the sweep. Edit the pattern and add the fillet. Watch the shell
> solve.
> darvin

[Anonymous]

Jeff,
Nope, ran out of steam and decided that using an extrusion cut on
the collector tube, followed by sweep cuts on the intakes, was a better
way to go. No need to mess up the original intent and kill the sharp
corners that way.
But I did notice, when applying the fillet, that the pattern
features previewed differently from the original sweep. Gut said, fillet
the original and add to the pattern. Sometimes that sinking feeling is
reliable.
darvin

"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:DA61AF8CCAD8A0F653F75E7E1FFF6171@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Good find, Darvin. Did you try it after filleting each pattern
instance
> seperately? 8~)
>
> Greg, sorry to waste your time. I wasn't paying attention and
excluded all 5
> planar faces when I tried it (works with the original part, too).
>
> =====================
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:FAE23A7C238823727359B267BFA3D6B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Sorry, already burned it. Just put a small fillet (2.5 mm) at the
> > junction of the sweep and the extrusion. Then drag it up above right
> > below the sweep. Edit the pattern and add the fillet. Watch the
shell
> > solve.
> > darvin
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

Well, just beat it into a shell of it's former self. Of the 3 fillet
schemes, using2.5mm, only including it in the pattern allows the shell
to solve.
darvin

"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:DA61AF8CCAD8A0F653F75E7E1FFF6171@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Good find, Darvin. Did you try it after filleting each pattern
instance
> seperately? 8~)
>
> Greg, sorry to waste your time. I wasn't paying attention and
excluded all 5
> planar faces when I tried it (works with the original part, too).
>
> =====================
>
> "darvinv" wrote in message
> news:FAE23A7C238823727359B267BFA3D6B1@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Sorry, already burned it. Just put a small fillet (2.5 mm) at the
> > junction of the sweep and the extrusion. Then drag it up above right
> > below the sweep. Edit the pattern and add the fillet. Watch the
shell
> > solve.
> > darvin
>
>
>

[Anonymous]

I opened the part with the failed shell, did a Rebuild All, and the shell
worked. The ASM team has made some improvements to the kernel since the beta
build was released.

Loren Jahraus
Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team

"Greg_L" wrote in message
news:46551BB18F027B21979ED4EADF1A0BE7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Loren,
>
> Actually, I tried the shell using build 057d and still got the error. I
> have no problem shelling the entire part (removing only the end faces of
the
> three small tubes), shelling the entire part (removing no faces), shelling
> the entire part (removing the end faces of the three small tubes and the
> front and back faces of the big tube), but I can't shell and remove the
> three small tubes and only ONE face of the big tube. I have the same
> problem with either version. Let me know if you have the same result.
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg Lock
> Ceric, Inc.
>
> "Loren Jahraus (Autodesk)" wrote in message
> news:1296C7E78065928C63A93322E85EBF21@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > The part with three branches shells fine in the latest R8 build.
> >
> > Loren Jahraus
> > Autodesk Inventor Workflow Team
> >
> > "Greg_L" wrote in message
> > news:0922C4A100D209879979CEFA6829E978@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Oops. I goofed.
> > >
> > > Sorry about the "version" problem ;). Won't happen again. I posted
the
> > new
> > > file just a few minutes ago under ICF.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> > > news:72F6F337FB0F28682A73C75229746EF4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Ahhh. Just as well. Too late for me to be delving into something
> > anyway.
> > > > 8~)
> > > >
> > > > ====================
> > > >
> > > > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > > > news:C6547DFD789F72E1D5109DA1860D2CC7@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Kinda what I figured. KWik Moderation.
> > > > > darvin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

8~) Go figure...

Oh, well. It'll all be different in a few weeks.

Have a great one.

=========================

"darvinv" wrote in message
news:2AB294051FADBBACC862EED39176D18A@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Well, just beat it into a shell of it's former self. Of the 3 fillet
> schemes, using2.5mm, only including it in the pattern allows the shell
> to solve.
> darvin
>

[Anonymous]

Darvin,

Fogive me for being a mindless idiot. It took me at least 20 minutes of
reading the last few messages between you and Jeff and looking at your files
under ICF before I understood what you meant by a small fillet. Now I
understand and your work around is just what we were looking for.

Thanks again.

Greg

"darvinv" wrote in message
news:26DB3B21B0373903EAF26C538226A170@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> greg,
> Check iCF for two solutions, under your thread. #2 (-dd2) is better,
> as it retains your sharp intersections.
> darvin
>
>
> "Greg_L" wrote in message
> news:6263E4FA7A9F2C3692EE984FD6249614@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Darvin,
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Is it possible to put your
> example in
> > ICF?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > "darvinv" wrote in message
> > news:4A87D1C104CAC31D64A5EA6D15A1F628@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > grag,
> > > Put a little (2.5 mm works) on the sweep, move it up and add it
> to
> > > the pattern. Then the shell solves.
> > > darvin
> > >
>
>