PRINTING TO SCALE

[Anonymous]

I still find it hard to believe that IV6 still does not have the capability
to print a window to scale. Autocad had this capability for years. I hate
to have to print a large drawing to get the one view I needed at 1/1!

[Anonymous]

*sigh*

No, this isn't what I want.

We make prints to E size (36 x 48). The assembly is
usually 1:4 scale. I can print to 36" roll paper without a hitch. But often, I'm
asked to print a small area of the drawing (could be anywhere) to a certain
scale (it may be 1/4 size, 1/2 or even full scale) on 11x17 or 8.5 x 11 paper.
Don't ask why I'm asked to do this, but it's apparent others here have the
same problem. In Inventor, I have few options on printing. 1:1 (which will
print the center, not necessarily where I want it), Best fit (which will get the
whole assembly on the right sized paper) Model scale, custom scale (again, only
center of sheet) and fit to view (will give me right area, but not
scale). I know I can make a detail view of area, make a new
11x17 sheet and drag the detail view into it, but golly that's a lot of work for
what should be a cinch. Why not a combination of print current view
and custom scale? That's all I want!
size=2>I guess I'll just post this in a wish list and hope it's in the next
release.

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Dave,


So long as you select the "Model 1:1" in the "Scale" area of the
"Print" dialog box, then everything you print will printed "exact" size to
what ever it is you have drawn. If you have it drawn at 1:1 then the printout
will be 1:1. If you have it drawn at 4:1, then the printout will be at 4:1.


If you have it drawn on a "A" size and print on a 8.5 x 11 paper then
it will all fit. If you have it drawn on a different size ("B", "C"...) then
only part will fit on a 8.5 x 11... BUT what does fit will be at the correct
scale I.E. same scale it was drawn at.

So if you want 1:1, then draw
1:1 and select "Model 1:1".

25" is 25" so no matter what you do if you
want 1:1, then in that case the paper must also be >=25".

Based on
all the posts though, I am not sure that what I have just said is what you
really want. My appologies if I am off base here.

Regards,

Don
A 🙂

[Anonymous]

Here, here Dave. This is like Karma, because I was
revisiting this problem again just now also. I didn't want to dredge up a
painful thread, but man I tell you I feel like I'm working with PC Paintbrush
here. But this time it's a little different, so I'll start a new
thread.

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*sigh*

No, this isn't what I want.

We make prints to E size (36 x 48). The assembly
is usually 1:4 scale. I can print to 36" roll paper without a hitch. But
often, I'm asked to print a small area of the drawing (could be anywhere) to a
certain scale (it may be 1/4 size, 1/2 or even full scale) on 11x17 or 8.5 x
11 paper. Don't ask why I'm asked to do this, but it's apparent others
here have the same problem. In Inventor, I have few options on printing.
1:1 (which will print the center, not necessarily where I want it), Best fit
(which will get the whole assembly on the right sized paper) Model scale,
custom scale (again, only center of sheet) and fit to view (will give me right
area, but not scale). I know I can make a detail view of
area, make a new 11x17 sheet and drag the detail view into it, but golly
that's a lot of work for what should be a cinch. Why not a combination
of print current view and custom scale? That's all I want!
I guess I'll just post this in a wish list and
hope it's in the next release.

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Dave,


So long as you select the "Model 1:1" in the "Scale" area of the
"Print" dialog box, then everything you print will printed "exact" size to
what ever it is you have drawn. If you have it drawn at 1:1 then the
printout will be 1:1. If you have it drawn at 4:1, then the printout will be
at 4:1.

If you have it drawn on a "A" size and print on a 8.5 x 11
paper then it will all fit. If you have it drawn on a different size ("B",
"C"...) then only part will fit on a 8.5 x 11... BUT what does fit will be
at the correct scale I.E. same scale it was drawn at.

So if you want
1:1, then draw 1:1 and select "Model 1:1".

25" is 25" so no matter
what you do if you want 1:1, then in that case the paper must also be
>=25".

Based on all the posts though, I am not sure that what I
have just said is what you really want. My appologies if I am off base here.


Regards,

Don A 🙂

[ArtC]

NO! If your printer will print at 1:1 and you place a 1:1 view with the desired section on the sheet. The sheet will print only what is on the sheet at 1:1 ( set to ptint at 1:1).

[Anonymous]

Not having 1:1 bothers me.


I did not start on a drawing board.


I use it to print a small portion of a large assembly or detail drawing to show to a machinist or some other person that has qualified experience about the thing I designed, but isn't used to staring at scale drawings all day, or just wants some sense of porportion.


Aside from the scale issue, the "plot current window" is just plain irritating. I have no control over the aspect ratio of my plot. If I want to print a bill of material large enough to see, I would normally (with Autocad, Adobe illustrator, Coreldraw, most rational vector based graphics programs) drag a plot window around it roughly the length x width porportions of my 11x17 lazer printer output and hit print. No wasted white space. The way it is set up to plot the graphics window is just silly.




Anthony.

[JohnPonikvar]

Sean I think you have something there.


I have yet to meet anyone who can produce a 1:1 or any other scale for that matter. (I don't get out much so don't take it to mean I've been around a lot.). But none the less...

No one I've met has taken the time to correctly understand all that's involved. Setting up borders (to fit within the print/plot device's print zone), scaling views in paper space (/ whatever space etc...) then inserting the border at appropriate scale, scaling text and dimensions etc.. to produce correct size hard copy. Oh and don't forget to callibrate your printer/plotter. All set? OK, now do it for each different plotter and printer. It's not like running a velum through the amonia machine.


No one I've met is interested printing to scale because it's too hard. (And managements just go along with it because, well, "at least the print gets out, and it has dimmensions dosen't it, so who needs a scale? They can read can't they?") No one that is except a board draftsman. And even then, I've met some who have given up hope because of the above mentioned degree of difficulty.


I think Inventor is just pandering to the new breed. Newbies don't care because the tool is too difficult to figure out. And Adesk thinks its not needed Duh! They sure made it easy to produce a reasonable hard copy. Just plop in a model or assembly and IV figures out a view scale for you. Notice the lack of plot device callibration tool.


Personally I work around if I need a full scale, which thankfully is rare, so this is a utility low on my IV wish list.

Now where is that callibration tool?


jp

[Anonymous]

You are missing the point, me thinks. In the plot
we want, there ARE NO DIMENSIONS. Just lines. And the plotters have to be setup
already, since they plot 1:1 of the sheets size. The biggest reason to be able
to do this is, if you want a paper cutout of your design to make sure it fits
the real customer part that you couldn't import because the IGES surface won't
translate into something usable and your customer is too stubborn to send you a
STEP file. This happens WEEKLY here! This will be my last post on this subject.
But I suggest all those in favor of this feature should put in Adesk's Wish
List. This is NOT a ADesk wish list board!

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Sean
I think you have something there.

I have yet to meet anyone who can
produce a 1:1 or any other scale for that matter. (I don't get out much so
don't take it to mean I've been around a lot.). But none the less...
No one
I've met has taken the time to correctly understand all that's involved.
Setting up borders (to fit within the print/plot device's print zone), scaling
views in paper space (/ whatever space etc...) then inserting the border at
appropriate scale, scaling text and dimensions etc.. to produce correct size
hard copy. Oh and don't forget to callibrate your printer/plotter. All set?
OK, now do it for each different plotter and printer. It's not like running a
velum through the amonia machine.

No one I've met is interested
printing to scale because it's too hard. (And managements just go along with
it because, well, "at least the print gets out, and it has dimmensions dosen't
it, so who needs a scale? They can read can't they?") No one that is except a
board draftsman. And even then, I've met some who have given up hope because
of the above mentioned degree of difficulty.

I think Inventor is just
pandering to the new breed. Newbies don't care because the tool is too
difficult to figure out. And Adesk thinks its not needed Duh! They sure made
it easy to produce a reasonable hard copy. Just plop in a model or assembly
and IV figures out a view scale for you. Notice the lack of plot device
callibration tool.

Personally I work around if I need a full scale,
which thankfully is rare, so this is a utility low on my IV wish list.
Now
where is that callibration tool?

jp

[Anonymous]

> This is NOT a ADesk wish list
board!

But it is one of the few places where you can
bounce your idea off a community of users, and see how your priorities line
up.  I agree that what you're asking for is a desirable feature, and hope
the developers incorporate it.  Rest assured that they have followed this
thread, and taken it into consideration.

A lot of folks (myself included) originally
misconstrued what you wanted.  We get edgy, mostly because of our
frustration.  Marketing continually demands the addition of fluffy,
whiz-bang features, and so many of the simple little production-enhancers that
the users really need get passed by version after version.  A post calling
for changes to make Inventor do something more like MDT is likely to get
a...vigorous response.  Now that I understand what you're needing, I don't
see your request that way.

Cheers,

Walt

[JohnPonikvar]

Dave

I see the point. But I didn't address it did I.

Sorry bout dat, My mistake.

I zero'd in on printed drawings only and still stand by what I said. (referring to the precision of the output)


On the matter of the topic, a window print would be nice.

Having gotten used to doing without it and figuring out the work-arounds, (already mentioned above) I never really yearned for it. The value of plotting parts full scale with ease is clear and should be a part of every modern cad package. IV has that capability, although I agree it can be cumbersome.

Can it really be done precisely scaled 1:1?


jp