precise imput & hotkeys

[Anonymous]

Group,
Maybe it's just me, but I noticed the following:
As an MDT diehard (didn't you know?) I like to have the precise imput
toolbar open and use it during sketching.
When in sketch mode, I start sketching a line with the "L" key, and continue
drawing the sketch. Several times I need to start another line without
rubberbanding from the last one, I used to press the "L" again, and it would
stop the current line command and launch it again.
Now with the precise imput bar open this "L" is going there and IV
understands it as a incomplete parameter entry. Very bad.
In adition to this, the cursor then is limited in a strange ortho movement
then.
Even more bad.
After this, I have to hit to come out of this dilemma, and from this
on IV will not accept any hotkey, until i pick once into the grafic area.
So the use of the hotkey adds mouseclicks instead of saving some.

Oh well, I could use the toolbutton instead of the hotkey, and I could skip
the precise imput.

Regards,
---
Leo Laimer
Bad Ischl - Austria

[afettig]

I come from Autocad mechanical, my 10-12 hour days were spent like this:line-snap-offset-snap-move-@3-snap-snap-snap-line-@1.456<30-snap-45,2.3-snap-snap (you get the point). I have probably made more than 10,000 drawings this way of complex assemblies and machined parts for automatic machinery and machine tools.


I have been using inventor for about a year, and work with assemblies from 50 - 3000 parts, and have never used the precise input. I'm glad I wasn't aware of its presence when I started learning because I would have latched on to it with a death grip and never let go. Now I don't want to use it. (I'm cured!).




I do think that Autodesk tries to reinvent convienence by making things more complicated sometimes. Either one of the interface engineers hates their customer base or they aren't paying attention to details.




Anthony

[Anonymous]

size=3>afettig,

LOL.  I'm glad to hear this...

Leo,

Sorry Leo, I can see your frustration.  My
thoughts are that IV wasn't intended to be used this way so the designers didn't
take this workflow into account.  To be honest I have never used the
precise input bar.  I honestly think that the iTeam put it there to pacify
the AutoCADers.  Try not using the input bar for a few weeks.  I
honestly think it will grow on you and you'll give up your addition forever
<g>

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I'm glad I wasn't aware of its presence when I started learning
because I would have latched on to it with a death grip and never let go. Now
I don't want to use it. (I'm cured!).

[Anonymous]

Leo, try getting used to the Status Bar info in the lower right corner
(View-Status Bar).
Works OK for me to get the geometry about right from the start...
I too come from the AutoCAD/MDT environment.
BR
Peer

[afettig]

dumb question: How can I change my login to allow a space between my first and last name? Autodesk keeps informing me it is an invalid login.



Anthony.

[Anonymous]

Anthony -

You cannot. The login does not allow a space in the name from the
HTTP web based internet side of the newsgroups. Newsgroup reader
software on the NNTP side does allow spaces.

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afettig wrote:
>
> dumb question: How can I change my login to allow a space
> between my first and last name? Autodesk keeps informing me it
> is an invalid login.
>
> Anthony.

[Anonymous]

This is due to the way Inventor handles dialogue boxes. As soon as you
leave the open dialogue box, it changes the focus. This is also an issue,
for example, when you try to zoom in on parts while in the constraint
dialogue box.

"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
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> Group,
> Maybe it's just me, but I noticed the following:
> As an MDT diehard (didn't you know?) I like to have the precise imput
> toolbar open and use it during sketching.
> When in sketch mode, I start sketching a line with the "L" key, and
continue
> drawing the sketch. Several times I need to start another line without
> rubberbanding from the last one, I used to press the "L" again, and it
would
> stop the current line command and launch it again.
> Now with the precise imput bar open this "L" is going there and IV
> understands it as a incomplete parameter entry. Very bad.
> In adition to this, the cursor then is limited in a strange ortho movement
> then.
> Even more bad.
> After this, I have to hit to come out of this dilemma, and from this
> on IV will not accept any hotkey, until i pick once into the grafic area.
> So the use of the hotkey adds mouseclicks instead of saving some.
>
> Oh well, I could use the toolbutton instead of the hotkey, and I could
skip
> the precise imput.
>
> Regards,
> ---
> Leo Laimer
> Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>

[Anonymous]

Leo, I'm still a MDT guy too. In MDT I didn't use absolute input much
(autocad yes) but sill find IV sketching frustrating at times.

It's the inferred constraints. They are great when you are on top of the
game but can punish you severely if your not paying attention. I find it
helps to give a wide berth to existing sketch elements when there is a
possibility of an unwanted inference. Then add the correct constraint
manually.

I believe if MTD user can get in-tune with the inference they will overcome
the need for precise input.

Long live MDT!

-Tom


"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
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> Group,
> Maybe it's just me, but I noticed the following:
> As an MDT diehard (didn't you know?) I like to have the precise imput
> toolbar open and use it during sketching.
> When in sketch mode, I start sketching a line with the "L" key, and
continue
> drawing the sketch. Several times I need to start another line without
> rubberbanding from the last one, I used to press the "L" again, and it
would
> stop the current line command and launch it again.
> Now with the precise imput bar open this "L" is going there and IV
> understands it as a incomplete parameter entry. Very bad.
> In adition to this, the cursor then is limited in a strange ortho movement
> then.
> Even more bad.
> After this, I have to hit to come out of this dilemma, and from this
> on IV will not accept any hotkey, until i pick once into the grafic area.
> So the use of the hotkey adds mouseclicks instead of saving some.
>
> Oh well, I could use the toolbutton instead of the hotkey, and I could
skip
> the precise imput.
>
> Regards,
> ---
> Leo Laimer
> Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>

[Anonymous]

I've never really used MDT, but don't you have to go back and add dims to
constrain the geometry anyway, even if you use Precise Input? It would seem
logical then to be worried about the exact size when you are putting in the
final dims. I know it's different, but it works great! I always have "Edit dim
when created" to save some clicking.

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davej@autoconcorp.com


"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
news:0CEB580492DD108D52E914B9E4A52A15@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Group,
> Maybe it's just me, but I noticed the following:
> As an MDT diehard (didn't you know?) I like to have the precise imput
> toolbar open and use it during sketching.
> When in sketch mode, I start sketching a line with the "L" key, and continue
> drawing the sketch. Several times I need to start another line without
> rubberbanding from the last one, I used to press the "L" again, and it would
> stop the current line command and launch it again.
> Now with the precise imput bar open this "L" is going there and IV
> understands it as a incomplete parameter entry. Very bad.
> In adition to this, the cursor then is limited in a strange ortho movement
> then.
> Even more bad.
> After this, I have to hit to come out of this dilemma, and from this
> on IV will not accept any hotkey, until i pick once into the grafic area.
> So the use of the hotkey adds mouseclicks instead of saving some.
>
> Oh well, I could use the toolbutton instead of the hotkey, and I could skip
> the precise imput.
>
> Regards,
> ---
> Leo Laimer
> Bad Ischl - Austria
>
>

[Anonymous]

I very seldom used precise input in MDT either. As far as constraints go the one that
continually causes me problems (at least I am using it as a excuse) is that in MDT it
infered collinear constraints.... Inventor doesn't. I think that causes some of my
sketches turning inside out problems 8^)

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"Tom Costan" wrote in message
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> Leo, I'm still a MDT guy too. In MDT I didn't use absolute input much
> (autocad yes) but sill find IV sketching frustrating at times.
>
> It's the inferred constraints. They are great when you are on top of the
> game but can punish you severely if your not paying attention.

[Anonymous]

I do sketch to size in MDT most often, as then the sketches behave in the
most predictable way (no jumping around), and I often leave the sketches
underconstrained, mainly in the conceptual stage. (very much faster).

I was trying to use the precise imput for one simple reason:
Because it's there, and because the answer for several rants here was:
"there is the precise imput bar, especially designed for you!).
But only to find out that it's like so many things in IV: It's there, but
better not use it.

OK, I stop writing further...
grumble...toy...grumble...

Regards,
---
Leo Laimer
Bad Ischl - Austria

[Anonymous]

> OK, I stop writing further...
> grumble...toy...grumble...

I heard that!!!

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"Leo Laimer" wrote in message
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> I do sketch to size in MDT most often, as then the sketches behave in the
> most predictable way (no jumping around), and I often leave the sketches
> underconstrained, mainly in the conceptual stage. (very much faster).