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My circles look like polygons:

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Message 1 of 21
szimmer
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My circles look like polygons:

Is there a way to increase the minimum number of facets on a circular face?

My circles look more like polygons than anything else.

Thanks.

Simon
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Message 2 of 21
hallstevenson
in reply to: szimmer

Likely cause is a less than optimal video card. What card do you have ?
Message 3 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

I find that hard to believe. This is a pretty new laptop (less than 1 year). The video card is:

ATI mobility Radeon x1450

I remember in the last 3D program I used on a different computer called Alibre, there was a way to increase the minimum circular facets under curve smoothness.

Does Inventor have something similar?

Thanks.

Simon
Message 4 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: szimmer

>ATI mobility Radeon x1450

Go to Help>Graphics Cards and see if that card is on the list.

also you might try going to Tools>Application Options>Display and set Display quality to Smooth (slower).

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Message 5 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

I tried everything in the thread but nothing helped.

I did find what I wanted regarding the facets:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Autodesk\Inventor\RegistryVersion8.0\S ystem\Prefe
> rences\Display\ to a higher value (say 32):

It was 9 and I changed it to 32. That did not make a difference.

However, I noticed something strange. See attached pictures.

If I go into the individual parts, the circulars are polygons. However, if I open the sketch and click on the button return. the NEW extrude is a TRUE circle.

I save it and check the assembly with the part in it and it still has the old polygon circles. If i open the same part again, the circles are back to begin polygon.

Is that a video card issue or a bug in Inventor?

Thanks for helping though. I appreciate it.

Simon
Message 6 of 21
hallstevenson
in reply to: szimmer

Makes no difference how "new" the laptop is. Make sure the graphics drivers are very up-to-date, if not the latest. This is a graphics card shortcoming, not an Inventor one. The fact that IV can show the circles properly proves that. It starts polygon'ing the circles as memory is used up (in my experience).
Message 7 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

Hmm. Okay. Strange that the video card can handle it but only for a short time until the memory is used up.

2GB of RAM is not enough huh?

Okay, well that must be the problem then.

Thanks. I will just have to get used to it. No $$ to buy a new laptop. Inventor was expensive enough. 😉

Simon
Message 8 of 21
Josh_Petitt
in reply to: szimmer

what are the overall dimensions of the part? Is it very long and skinny? (e.g. a pipe section)
Message 9 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: szimmer

A new laptop may not mean the card is sufficient for IV. The only time I
will see any change from a smooth circle is when I am panning/rotating or
zooming. You might also check for current drivers. Changing the Display
Quality to smoother under the "Tools>Application Options>Display" will help.

As from: Notebook Check:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobility-Radeon-X1450.2548.0.html
It's not ranked that high for 3D performance
ATI Mobility Radeon X1450
The ATI Mobility Radeon X1450 dedicated graphic card for laptops has an
improved relation of performance to current consumption compared with its
predecessor ATI Mobility Radeon X1400. Both are part of the lower middle
class. The performance can be compared with an elder X600, but technically
it is a X1350.

Specifications
a.. performance class: 3
b.. series: Mobility Radeon X1000
c.. codename: M54
d.. pipeline: 4 pixel-pipelines and 2 vertex-pipelines
e.. clock: chip: 445 MHz, memory: 250 MHz
f.. memory: DDR1/DDR2/GDDR3, maximum upgrade: 256 MB, bus: 128 bit,
HyperMemory up to 256 MB additionally from the main memory
g.. directX: 9c, Shader Model 3.0
h.. features: Avivo video and display engine. PCI express x16-Bus; 90-nm
i.. application area: small and light-weight notebooks
j.. other infos: 105 million transistors
Benchmarks
Here you find a list with approximative benchmark values, which can be
achieved with this video card. The values can strongly deviate due to
different hardware (processor, memory).

a.. 3DMark06: 1200 points
Type Points
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 900
60

ATI Radeon Xpress 200M
140

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950
170

ATI Mobility Radeon X300
200

ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
280

ATI Mobility Radeon X600
280

ATI Mobility Radeon X1300
560

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7200
674

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300
700

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7400
800

ATI Mobility FireGl V5200
900

ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
900

ATI Mobility Radeon X700
900

NVIDIA GeForce Go 6600
1150

ATI Mobility Radeon X800
1300

ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
1800

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600
1900

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800
2200

ATI Mobility Radeon X1700
2330

NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800 Ultra
2500

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7700
2700

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 GT
2800

ATI Mobility Radeon X1800
3000

ATI Mobility Radeon X1900
3460

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GS
3800

NVIDIA Quadro FX 1500M
3900

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 GTX
4000

NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M
4690

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7900 GTX
4700

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7800 GTX SLI
5000

NVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX
5214



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Dell 670 dual Xeon - 3.2
3gb memory, SCSI320-15k
XP-Pro, sp2
Quadro FX3400: Driver: 169.61 Direct3D
IV2008-pro sp2,
SpacePilot Rel V: 3.5.4 Dvr V: 6.4.4 Firmware 3.12

wrote in message news:5873925@discussion.autodesk.com...
I tried everything in the thread but nothing helped.

I did find what I wanted regarding the facets:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Autodesk\Inventor\RegistryVersion8.0\S
ystem\Prefe
> rences\Display\ to a higher value (say 32):

It was 9 and I changed it to 32. That did not make a difference.

However, I noticed something strange. See attached pictures.

If I go into the individual parts, the circulars are polygons. However, if I
open the sketch and click on the button return. the NEW extru
de is a TRUE circle.

I save it and check the assembly with the part in it and it still has the
old polygon circles. If i open the same part again, the circles are back to
begin polygon.

Is that a video card issue or a bug in Inventor?

Thanks for helping though. I appreciate it.

Simon
Message 10 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

Oh and yeah i updated the drivers today after I was having problems.

Still strange though.

I will try it at home where I have a MUCH NEWER graphics card with 4GB.

Where is the list for graphics cards that Inventor likes? I never found one in help.

Thanks.

Simon
Message 11 of 21
JDMather
in reply to: szimmer

>Where is the list for graphics cards that Inventor likes? I never found one in help.

Click here should take you to the Autodesk website. (need to have a active internet connection)

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Message 12 of 21
hallstevenson
in reply to: szimmer

System RAM does not equal Video RAM. Your home machine may do better and if it does, the video card in it is simply "better".

If the latest drivers don't help, there's little you can do (except report it to ATI, who won't care since the Radeon isn't a "CAD" card). I've fought this battle with management and IT who think they can take a Dell business desktop, upgrade the RAM from 1gb to 2gb, upgrade the video card, and call it a "CAD machine". They'll pay 100% for those machines too.... We refuse them and pay for our own machines out of our own budget.
Message 13 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

Yes, it is long and skinny. 1" tube and 55 feet long.

The shell is 18 inches and 55 long.

Simon
p.s.
I found the graphic cards in help. oops!

:)
Message 14 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

Okay.

Thanks for the info.

I realize this laptop is not considered a CAD laptop.

I am still amazed with the results and will just have to deal with this small error that is the result of my video card.

Later.

Simon
Message 15 of 21
Josh_Petitt
in reply to: szimmer

I have to respectfully disagree w/ those that say this is a graphics card issue. I've attached a picture of an 8" pipe 10' long. You can clearly see the facets and I am using an NVIDA Quadro FX 4600 w/ IV2008, XP64 4GB RAM.

I believe the problem lies with Inventor and the algorithm for faceting. I see the problem especially w/ long skinny parts, which Inventor is probably assuming that you are viewing from "far" away because of the bounding box size and doesn't take into account the view pose.
Message 16 of 21
Josh_Petitt
in reply to: szimmer

its not the graphics card (see my other post). just squint your eyes a little bit and it will look round XP
Message 17 of 21
szimmer
in reply to: szimmer

hehe!

Okay. That makes more sense. I appreciate your effort. Yes, you might be right since the much shorter pieces of pipe have no issues with the polygon.

I hope someone points this out to Inventor.

Thanks.

Simon
Message 18 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: szimmer

In this case system ram does involve video Ram
The X1450 uses hypermemory that steals from the system ram, once the system
ram is used the graphics card no longer has this extra resource.

ATI's HyperMemoryT
ATI's Mobility RadeonT X1450 uses ATI HyperMemoryT memory management
technology for optimal graphics performance with visually demanding
applications and texture-rich 3D games. HyperMemoryT expands dedicated
graphics memory with abundant system memory on demand, aided by the
combination of a new memory controller, wide bandwidth PCI Express, and
today's faster system RAM.


wrote in message news:5873985@discussion.autodesk.com...
System RAM does not equal Video RAM. Your home machine may do better and if
it does, the video card in it is simply "better".

If the latest drivers don't help, there's little you can do (except report
it to ATI, who won't care since the Radeon isn't a "CAD" card). I've fought
this battle with management and IT who think they can take a Dell business
desktop, upgrade the RAM from 1gb to 2gb, upgrade the video card, and call
it a "CAD machine". They'll pay 100% for those machines too.... We refuse
them and pay for our own machines out of our own budget.
Message 19 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: szimmer

'I believe the problem lies with Inventor and the algorithm for faceting'

I'm sure in some cases it is driver/card issues, however I'm also sure Inventor is pretty rubbish at producing facets when you don't want it too.

Have a look at the attached screen dump, from a dual monitor dispaly. Same session of inventor, LH screen is has the fifty-pence piece effect, (faceted), RH is just fine.
This is with a Quadro fx 4400, with lastest approved drives and 'smooth' settings.

Bugs the life out of me at times.

Shona
Message 20 of 21
Anonymous
in reply to: szimmer

I asked one of our internal graphics gurus about this faceting issue because
(as suggested) it doesn't have to do with your graphics card and does have
to do with the part. Here is what was posted in 2006:

When you first open a Part in an Assembly view, we rely exclusively on the
stored faceted representations (equivalent to 1/2 pixel and 8 pixels chordal
tolerance @ 1000 pixel screen size) for both on-screen display and Inventor
Studio rendering.

The finer of the two versions (1/2 pixel @ 1000 pixels) means that the
straight lines that approximate curved edges deviate from the true curve by
no more than 1/2000 of the extent of the whole part. For a large part like a
long pipe with small holes, this can make the holes look pretty rough.



If you do anything that causes the B-rep (the underlying precise
mathematical boundary representation of the Part) to be loaded, we refacet
as needed to keep to the on-screen tolerance requested on the Tools >
Application Options > Display tab, DisplayQuality: smooth = ½ pixel, medium
= 1 pixel, coarse = 3 pixels, so if you zoom in on a small section of the
part, we will refacet it to look good at that zoom.



To get B-reps to load usually requires doing something like editing the
Part. (We try very hard NOT to load B-reps otherwise, to keep memory from
filling up with things you're not working on.)

In R11 there is a registry setting that tells Inventor to go ahead and load
B-reps just for the purpose of doing finer faceting whenever the Display
Quality is set to "Smooth" (see above). In
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Autodesk\Inventor\RegistryVersion11.0\System\Preferences\Display
"Faceting Options"
change this value from 0x00000042 to 0x00010042



Do this when Inventor is not running.



Now, run Inventor and set the Display Quality to "Smooth". Then, open your
assembly and zoom in on the end of a pipe - it should (after a bit of
thinking), look smooth. When you don't want to spend the extra time
refaceting, set the Display Quality to "Medium".

Inventor Studio inquires the available set of facet levels of detail (LODs,
not to be confused with Assembly LODs) through the API and chooses the
finest available one for its renderings. However, the API only returns LODs
which are "complete", meaning there's a faceted rep for EVERY face in the
Part. If you've zoomed in on the Part, we have only faceted the faces in the
current view, so that new LOD is probably not complete. So, Studio may end
up getting a coarser LOD than what you see on screen. The Inventor Studio
developers are aware of this issue.



To get around this issue, rotate the zoomed in view so that any parts
suffering from this effect (like your long pipes) lie completely in the
window - i.e. look at the pipe end-on. After that, you can reorient the view
as desired for rendering and your Studio renderings should have smooth
faceting, just like the on-screen display.



BTW -- None of this is affected in any way by your graphics card or driver.



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