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Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

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04-10-2012 07:26 AM

I am using Inventor 2010 and would like each view of a drawing to show a different machining step.  I.e.. A rough cut dimension and then the finish cut dimension.  Is it possible to create the part as it would be machined and then use the EOP marker to set each view.  Would like to model one part and get all views.

 

Thank you in advance

No, not with the EOP.

 

I think you will have to use Derived Component for each separate operation that you want to create a view of.

You can use Overlay views or some other technique.

In some cases the Weldment environment might serve this purpose if only 3 states and operations show only removal of material.

 

Another option might be to use the Engineers Notebook - but that only creates screen capture documentation steps - not drawings.

Could also be done as an iPart.  Each iPart member could suppress the features for the machining operations that haven't happened yet.

Thank yo for the help, I will try a derived and Ipart and see which on meets my needs better.

 

Thanks again

A few ways to do this...

1.When you get the part complete, do a save copy as.  Open the saved copy and suppress the feature.  Make another save copy as and suppress the next feature.  You will end up having a version for each machining step. Pros: can do this pretty quick. Cons: if there is a change later to the original part, you have to go back and change all the copies that you just made.  If there is alot of changes to the original, you might just have to start over and save the parts off again.  Now you will have to replace the model references on the idws and redo the sick/missing dimensions.  Can end up causing a bunch of work.

 

2. Creat an ipart.  You will have to make a decision if you want the ipart to be a copy of the original part. Or, convert the original part (the one that is in the assembly) to an ipart. The number of members that you will have will depend on how many machining operations you want to show. One of the members should have all operations "computed". Pros: if you convert the original part to an ipart, any change to the part will show in all the members. Cons: takes more time to set up if your not familar with iparts.  Cant take time to manage also.

 

3. Derived part.  Never tried this, but you probably could do it.  Derive the part into a new part and then add material back so you can model what machining step you want to show.

 

Its a shame that we have to jump thru hoops like this just to show machining operations.

Thanks,  I actually did the save as copy and moved the EOP for each model and it works fine.  If I have to make a change I will have to update each model to update each view.  Kinda clunky but not unworkable.


karthur1 wrote:

 

3. Derived part.  Never tried this, but you probably could do it.  Derive the part into a new part and then add material back so you can model what machining step you want to show.

 


Seems to me that it would be easier to start with the least machined version (essentially the "blank"), and cut away material in each successive step.  This is similar to the way we modeled parts machined from castings and forged blanks at my previous company (though in that case, we only cared about the original and final, no intermediate models between).

 

Takes a little forethought in your modeling process, but since our castings and forgings were often used for multiple finished parts, it was thinking we needed to do anyway.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 07:33 AM in reply to: tboardman

No, not with the EOP.

 

I think you will have to use Derived Component for each separate operation that you want to create a view of.

You can use Overlay views or some other technique.

In some cases the Weldment environment might serve this purpose if only 3 states and operations show only removal of material.

 

Another option might be to use the Engineers Notebook - but that only creates screen capture documentation steps - not drawings.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 07:36 AM in reply to: tboardman

Could also be done as an iPart.  Each iPart member could suppress the features for the machining operations that haven't happened yet.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 07:40 AM in reply to: jtylerbc

Thank yo for the help, I will try a derived and Ipart and see which on meets my needs better.

 

Thanks again

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 07:58 AM in reply to: tboardman

A few ways to do this...

1.When you get the part complete, do a save copy as.  Open the saved copy and suppress the feature.  Make another save copy as and suppress the next feature.  You will end up having a version for each machining step. Pros: can do this pretty quick. Cons: if there is a change later to the original part, you have to go back and change all the copies that you just made.  If there is alot of changes to the original, you might just have to start over and save the parts off again.  Now you will have to replace the model references on the idws and redo the sick/missing dimensions.  Can end up causing a bunch of work.

 

2. Creat an ipart.  You will have to make a decision if you want the ipart to be a copy of the original part. Or, convert the original part (the one that is in the assembly) to an ipart. The number of members that you will have will depend on how many machining operations you want to show. One of the members should have all operations "computed". Pros: if you convert the original part to an ipart, any change to the part will show in all the members. Cons: takes more time to set up if your not familar with iparts.  Cant take time to manage also.

 

3. Derived part.  Never tried this, but you probably could do it.  Derive the part into a new part and then add material back so you can model what machining step you want to show.

 

Its a shame that we have to jump thru hoops like this just to show machining operations.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 08:02 AM in reply to: karthur1

Thanks,  I actually did the save as copy and moved the EOP for each model and it works fine.  If I have to make a change I will have to update each model to update each view.  Kinda clunky but not unworkable.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 08:04 AM in reply to: karthur1

karthur1 wrote:

 

3. Derived part.  Never tried this, but you probably could do it.  Derive the part into a new part and then add material back so you can model what machining step you want to show.

 


Seems to me that it would be easier to start with the least machined version (essentially the "blank"), and cut away material in each successive step.  This is similar to the way we modeled parts machined from castings and forged blanks at my previous company (though in that case, we only cared about the original and final, no intermediate models between).

 

Takes a little forethought in your modeling process, but since our castings and forgings were often used for multiple finished parts, it was thinking we needed to do anyway.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-10-2012 06:13 PM in reply to: jtylerbc

I agree with jtylerbc

iPart is the way to go, using the 'save copy as' will cause problems later if you ever decide to make a change to the part, isn't that what inventor is all about, the big change? iPart in this instance is the same as moving the EOP, which is what you wanted.

 

Just my thoughts.

 


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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-11-2012 04:03 AM in reply to: tboardman

My preference for this process would be to do it all in one multi-body layout file, using the Rectangular Pattern tool with New Solid to copy each successive step.  That makes them all associative and very easily modified.  See attached 2012 format file for an example layout (EOP is rolled up to reduce file size).  From this file, push out derived parts, or just use the layout directly in a drawing.

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Re: Moving End of Part Marker in drawing

04-11-2012 05:19 AM in reply to: sbixler

Thats interesting... Guess you "could" do the same thing with derived part if the design of the final part is worked out.

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