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Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

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07-09-2012 01:25 PM

We have a user who's job it is to combine all of the subassembly into one large model. These are tire assembly machines with thousands of parts including nuts and bolts. The top level is looking to be between 150,000 - 200,000 occurrences and probably 50,000 - 75,000 unique parts. So we are talking huge amounts of data. Currently he has a Win 7 Precision 64-bit, 16 GB RAM, Quadro 2000 Nivida 1 GB, and a 512 SSD HD. Not too shabbily of a Mobile workstation. But it is not big enough.

 

So what can we do to get more HP (Pun intended) out of this Dell? Then what would be a recommended monster workstation (It would be for the dept to share, but would be a tower not a laptop)?

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-18-2012 04:44 PM in reply to: warrenandy

The below link contains helpful information regarding settings and hardware recommendations for handling large assemblies in Inventor. 

 

http://wikihelp.autodesk.com/Inventor/enu/2013/Help/1310-Autodesk1310/1655-Assembli1655/1806-Work_wi...

 

You may want to review each item in this wiki article to make sure nothing has been overlooked on the current machine. I hope this information is helpful to you.

 

 



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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 06:08 AM in reply to: innovatenate

are you expecting different answers from this same question you asked a few days ago?????

 

Your post hasn't even made it to page 2 yet..

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Inventor/Help-me-Spec-out-a-dream-machine/td-p/3533674

 

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 06:25 AM in reply to: mcgyvr

If you look at the date this one was asked first, no one responded. I mentioned that in the other post people did not respond to this one... It is an Emergency type situation so I needed answers ASAP.

 

I actually had a really good conference call yesterday with a couple Electrical Engineers from Dell. They are going to custom build me a "Special Machine". I will let everyone know if it does the job for my user or not.

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 07:23 AM in reply to: warrenandy

oh yeah sorry didn't see the date..

Good luck with the Dell "experience" :smileyhappy:

Let us know what they spec out and there are a few "benchmarking" tests users have done here to attempt to compare hardware setups.. Might be nice if you posted those results.. searching for benchmark should get you to the right post.

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 11:49 AM in reply to: mcgyvr

Probably the fastest Xeon processor you can get with at least 24Gb of memory. If you are going to be keeping the files locally on the machine, look at multiply hard-drives in RAID10 configuration (speed vs redundancy). Probably the fastest graphics card your budget will allow.

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 12:52 PM in reply to: warrenandy

The Quadro 2000 is hardly "top-of-the-line"... for something that crazy, I'd want a whole lot more than that... it's not even in the ballpark, IMO.  I have to wonder if Inventor is designed for that many parts... WOW, lol!  In any event, I have serious doubts that Dell is really who you want to be talking to.  I'll be curious to see what they put together though, how it works... and how much it costs.  I would think at that level it goes beyond "how much", and is just as much about "of what"... right down to the motherboard.  1000 go karts won't beat a lamborghini... and Dell does not make Lamborghinis.

 

From the Autodesk wikihelp: "You can gain some benefit from using multiple processors in Inventor. However, a faster, single processor can be more desirable. By design, Inventor is not a multi threaded application. The processing load cannot ordinarily be balanced over multiple processors. However, some specific functionality in Inventor does support multi-core technology.

The wisest choice is to procure the fastest single CPU that your budget allows. If your budget allows, buy the two fastest dual CPUs."

 

...so... that's REALLY super important.... I didn't know that... and in this day and age, that's gotta happen.  There are Android apps that make use of multi-core processors.  Just sayin'.  But then I see this in the "General" section:

 

"Dual Six core processor (12 cores total, hyperthreading not recommended because Inventor does not take advantage (except Studio rendering))."

 

...so why recommend a six-core processor?  This reads like unless you're using Studio, those 5 cores may be twiddling their thumbs?

 

Wow, yeah, look at this:

 

Number of unique parts    Recommended RAM in GB

> 5000                                        6

> 10,000                                     12

> 15,000                                     18

> 20,000                                     24

 

Your 75k unique parts with 150k-200k occurances is WAY off these charts... and frankly, "Recommended" doesn't always get you where you want to be.  So... like 100G of RAM I guess. :smileywink:  I don't know that Windows can even address that much RAM... that is of course crazy talk; do not get 100G of RAM... but based on this chart, and a little extrapolation, that's what you'd "need".

 

They're recommending a 2G vid card for "large assemblies"... and it sounds like you're past Autodesks definition of "large assembly", so again, yeah, the 1G Quadro 2000 is flat out not enough.

 

Frankly, I recommend you look at changing the work flow.  Do you REALLY... NEED 200k part assemblies?  If so, you're going to need a Lamborghini w/ a 200-cylinder engine... try NASA.  Maybe IBM will let you borrow Sequoia.  Even the tech of 2012 has limitations.

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-19-2012 05:47 PM in reply to: TheRham

lol..the IT twits where I work got us super cad machines as recomended by HP (our IT provider)

They are z800 workstations

the 16 cores in the cpu would render realy well with a program that uses them

When Inventor is bogged (most of the day) you can check the processes and system performance...my cpu usage never goes above 5%

 

my machine I built at home 3years ago for under $3500 (quad core cpu q6600) maxes out at 26% cpu but still processes the same model (derive a big assembly into a single part and time it or convert a big step file) in 1/10th the time (at work 3 to 4 hours at home 20 to 30 mins)

 

oh and the xeon just means its a cpu that has been tested for voltage/heat/speed.

for every xeon chip, there is a normal chip that is identical but hasnt been 'tested' for stability at varying volatages/temps and only costs a fraction of the price...i leave the xeon chips for the server boys and IT crowd with other peoples money to spend

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-20-2012 06:07 AM in reply to: warrenandy

Guys here is what the Dell Engineers recommended... They cannot add the 512 at the factory so it is a separate line item (I will install it after it arrives). The Processor is rated at 3.1 but they said I can use the turbo and boost it to ~4.5 or so. We will see, but according to the Engineers the RAM and Motherboard on this thing should also be faster than a regular desktop. Price is in the neighborhood of $12k for this configuration.

 

I looked and found Boxx has a machine that you can do the i7 and have the larger video cards. The problem with most boxes to get the power you need for the cards you have to have a Motherboard that only will accept Xeon processors. I don't thin it is a matter of it not being passable as much as most people who want all that video never want a standard single processor.

 

 

Base Unit:                             Dell Precision,T7600,MT,1300W (225-2096)

Processor:                            Dual Eight Core XEON E5-2687W, 3.1GHz, 20M, 8.0 GT/s, Turbo+,Dell Precision T7600 (317-8355)

Memory:                                64GB DDR3 RDIMM 1600, ECC,8x8GB,Dell Precision Tx600 (317-8326)

Video Card:                           2GB nVIDIA Quadro 4000,Dual Monitor,2DP and 1DVI,Dell Precision Tx600 (320-3292)

Hard Drive:                            256GB,SSD,2.5" (342-3440)

Hard Drive Controller:           C2 SATA/SSD 2.5 Inch,1-4 Hard Drives,Dell Precision T7600 (342-4014)

Operating System:                Windows 7 Professional,No Media, 64-bit,Fixed Precision, English (421-5607)

TBU:                                      PERC H310 SATA/SAS Controller for Dell Precision, T7600 (342-5065)

CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive:  8X DVD+/-RW,Data Only,Dell Precision T3600,T5600 and T7600 (318-1326)

Additional Storage Products:               2.5 Inch 7200 SATA 320GB,Second Drive,Dell Precision Tx600 (342-4461)

Controller Option:                 RAID,CNTRL,INTEL,PAYG,D,T7600 (331-4133)

Software Disk Two:               No Out-of-Band Systems MGMT,PWS T7600 (331-4131)

Feature                                  NO RAID,Dell Precison Tx600 (331-4816)

Misc:                                     NVIDIA Tesla C2075 Computing Processor,Dell Precision Tx600 (320-3685)

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Re: Large Assembly recommendations for Workstations?

07-20-2012 06:48 AM in reply to: warrenandy

I must warn you....

 

there, you've been warned.

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