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stevec781
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Message 41 of 54 (2,395 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-10-2012 08:44 AM in reply to: mikeweb74

mikeweb74 wrote:

Let's start with the sketcher:

  

2) Why must always I have projected geometry in the sketches, even if its only the center point


 

 

 

You dont.  Tools<application options<sketch tab  uncheck the auto project stuff.

 

identor

 was pretty pissed at having to expressly project edges from the model into sketches.

 

You dont.  Tools<application options<sketch tab  check auto project curves during curve creation.  When you hover over the edge it auto projects it in.

 

 

I have bagged IV many times here after coming from Swx.  I just started a new business, evaluated them all and to my surprise saw no option but to buy 2 more seats of Iv.  Sure there are lots of little things that are missing but overall its still better for what I need.  A big slice of humble pie for me!

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Tekniplaz
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Message 42 of 54 (2,382 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-10-2012 09:07 AM in reply to: stevec781

I am in exactly the same position.

Have used SWX for the last 11 years or more, started up my own business recently and evaluated the 3 software’s that seem to fit the bill.

Have to say I’m on the cusp of purchasing Inventor. The more i use the trial the more i actually like it and enjoy using it although it is a slightly different approach.

With the tools that come in the suites it saves me investing double in 3rd party bolt-ons to SWX that incur additional cost and maintenance, furthermore the user base is limited for these 3rd party bolt-ons therefore limited funds coming back for development.

I guess i just convinced myself that not only for a practical but also for a commercial and long term business decision that IV is the better choice in my case.

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Indentor
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Message 43 of 54 (2,368 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-10-2012 09:32 AM in reply to: stevec781

identor

was pretty pissed at having to expressly project edges from the model into sketches.

 

You dont.  Tools<application options<sketch tab  check auto project curves during curve creation.  When you hover over the edge it auto projects it in.

 

See...that's what I'm talking about...gets better all the time.  Just gotta know where the buttons are.

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divingdoug
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Message 44 of 54 (2,359 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-10-2012 10:01 AM in reply to: Indentor

Exactly, more buttons, wasted mouse clicks, wasted time not creating

 

And again, why on any planet would you allow the ability to delete the referenece to the origin.

 

Doug

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nkopilec
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Message 45 of 54 (2,267 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-12-2012 12:20 PM in reply to: sprayvent

Agree with indentor on the sketcher... When I first started using inventor, it took a while to figure out where my origin went if I happened to delete all of my geometry and a co-worker finally told me that you have to "project" the origin. Ridiculous.

 

For those on the fence about selection between SW and Inventor, here are a few things I find delightful and irritating about both:

 

Sketcher:

 

In addition to not having to project your origin in sketches, in SW you are able to make reference and constrain to actual part geometry. This is not a huge deal, but I've found it to be irritating on occasion when I need to make changes to sketch constraints based on part geometry.

 

Something I absolutely hate about inventor is that it doesn't require you to have closed sketch geometry. In other words, if you create an extrusion, you could have a line out in space somewhere completely unrelated to the feature and it doesn't matter if it's construction geometry or not. In SW you are required to have closed geometry for extrusion, revolve, etc. (excluding surface features). Any geometry that isn't closed MUST be construction geometry. When you are forced to do this, SW can now differentiate between construction geometry and geometry you intend to be part of the feature. Why is this a big deal? Consider, for example, that I have 20 different sized holes, rectangles, whatever, and I want to create an extruded cut feature. In SW, if I decide later that I want to delete or add one of these sketch entities, no problem... make the change and everything updates. In Inventor, deleting a sketch entity will cause an error because it now doesn't know which sketch entities you want to be part of the feature. This means you have to edit the feature and reselect EVERY sketch entity you had previously. I've wasted a lot of time because of this. There's really no point in having construction geometry in inventor other than aesthetic differentiation because it serves no purpose. In case you were wondering, in SW, if you for any reason wanted to exclude a sketch entity from a feature, there is a feature scope selection which allows you to choose to exclude geometry from a feature. The default, however, is that all normal geometry is part of the feature and all construction geometry is excluded from the feature scope.

 

A HUGE letdown, for me personally, is SW's cumbersome Excel based parameters. I prefer the simplicity of inventor's parameter list configuration in both Excel and Inventor. Firstly, SW lists the parameters horizontally in columns (I hate this) and Inventor lists them vertically in rows. I can create complex assemblies that have parts that are coherent and all linked to the same parameter sheet. In SW, each part/assembly must have its own parameter sheet. This makes it difficult to create assemblies that are controlled from one centralized parameter sheet.You have to create a sheet that does all the caluculations of your values and then link to those values from each workbook linked to each part. That would be manageable if that were the only problem, but if I make a change to that "centralized" parameter sheet, if I want all the parts that have values pulled from that sheet to update, I have to open each part and then open its parameter sheet and close it for it to get the updated values. Again, huge letdown. This is what keeps me from saying, unequivocally, that SW is better than Inventor.

 

There are obviously many more differences, but these are the biggest for me. If you design large assemblies that are considered "standard" products and only vary by a handful of parameters, use Inventor. You would benefit by how quickly you can modify and release an assembly to be manufactured by creating an intricate series of algorithms in Excel.

 

If you design something completely different every day and you cater more to industrial design or injection molded parts for the consumer industry, I would go with SW. SW is a very rich software. It has many, many more useful features than Inventor (too many to name in this post), especially surfacing (unless you have Fusion with Alias in Inventor).

 

If you need both aspects mentioned above, I would get SW and get really good at programming with the SW API... or wait for one or the other to fix the short-comings of their software packages.

 

Hope this helps a few people.

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mikeweb74
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Registered: ‎12-05-2012
Message 46 of 54 (2,217 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-13-2012 05:54 AM in reply to: nkopilec

I agree with your first point about the having to project geometry in the sketch plane, even if it only the center point. I also project anything that you chose. Like if you pick an axis for revolve it projects that. Alternatively, any model geometry.

You can have open sketch in SW if you want to have a thin feature, not just surfaces.

Forget having a feature update properly in IV if you try to modify a sketch after creating a feature from it!

I love the design tables in SW. You can create very complex configuration and assemblies, BTW there a ways to automated creating and updating the configurations. Have tried to embed the design tables into the SW documents.

I have designed both very large and very different assemblies in SW you just have to know how to set them up. I have also created many similar or families of parts in SW.

Yes, a programing background is very help full when using SW. SW is much more powerful then IV. I have a lot less crashes with SW.

With IV, you have to manage project files and you have to create a presentation file just to create exploded views. I seem to that IV is still 2-3 years behind SW.

And what about the dialog boxes the IV still has plus IV mini tool bar that does not have all of the options that the dialog box has.

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stephen_inventor
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Registered: ‎05-21-2012
Message 47 of 54 (2,204 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-13-2012 06:16 AM in reply to: stevec781

Hi,

 

I think the title should be changed to Inventor vs Solidworks - Which suits you better.

Love using Inventor, no issues on assemblys upwards of 18,000 parts and I think Autodesk rock.

Really usefull ios and android apps as well, way ahead of the competition.

 

Hope your all having fun using your software of choice for to-day...............

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Mark_Flayler
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Message 48 of 54 (2,195 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-13-2012 06:41 AM in reply to: mikeweb74

mikeweb74 wrote:

Forget having a feature update properly in IV if you try to modify a sketch after creating a feature from it!

Yes, a programing background is very help full when using SW. SW is much more powerful then IV. I have a lot less crashes with SW.

With IV, you have to manage project files and you have to create a presentation file just to create exploded views. I seem to that IV is still 2-3 years behind SW.

And what about the dialog boxes the IV still has plus IV mini tool bar that does not have all of the options that the dialog box has.


No problems with features updating from my sketches.

I always had more crashes with SW than I did Inventor

Presentation Files are different, doesn't mean they are behind SW 2-3 years, I think the configurations are a horrible way to go with anything that deserves good tracking and accountability in DM software (not just for explosions but for design tables as well)

98% of what you need is in the Minitoolbar, the only thing I find missing that I want is the All Fillets and All Rounds with the fillet command, but even then I don't need it that often.

 

As for programming, what do you have in SW that equals the power of iLogic?  Certainly not DriveWorks Express?  I also see that you are a certified SW professional, what training or certification have you received in Inventor?

 

Even from your post you can see that users that spend more time in one software or the other can sometimes not know the best way to do it in the other software, even some of the basic taskes can be different, doesn't make one better than the other in that regard.

 

As a side note, if you really want to compare SolidWorks to Inventor you DO need to look at the what you are getting with each.  This really should be a thread on SolidWorks vs Product Design Suite or Factory Design Suite.  The fact that when you get Alias Design in PrDS Ulitmate, that just blows away SW surfacing and the Alias data can be read right into Inventor.  I have a previous post that no-one seemed to want to refute because its true or they just don't know enough about the other products to compare them.

 

This will be my last post on the matter.

Mark Flayler Application Engineer - Manufacturing Solutions Division
IMAGINiT's Manufacturing Solutions Blog:
http://blogs.rand.com/manufacturing/
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nkopilec
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Registered: ‎11-15-2012
Message 49 of 54 (2,173 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-13-2012 07:08 AM in reply to: mikeweb74

Sorry, you are correct about the thin feature. As I mentioned before, SW has a lot of features... it's difficult to recall them all! I'm curious, how do you handle interconnectivity of parts and assemblies with design tables and how do you get all the parts to update when you change parameters from one sheet?

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nkopilec
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Message 50 of 54 (2,167 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-13-2012 07:15 AM in reply to: stephen_inventor

I agree with you. I personally think that Inventor is a "best bang for your buck" type of software. Baseline, it doesn't have nearly as many features as SW, but I use both on a daily basis and really have no problem using either. I'm partial to both in different regards. Inventor's baseline cost makes it appealing, which is why it's a best-seller. You get more with SW, but it's more expensive.

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