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mikeweb74
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Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-06-2012 05:07 PM in reply to: ampster

Let's start with the sketcher:

 

1) Why does inventor allow empty sketches? When close a sketch with no geometry you get an empty sketch. Why would you want that?

 

2) Why must always I have projected geometry in the sketches, even if its only the center point. Most  the time I only to have the geometry that I sketch. And as you dimension to model edges those become projected as well. This just clutters up the sketch with extraneous geometry.

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Message 32 of 56 (7,716 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-06-2012 05:35 PM in reply to: mikeweb74

mikeweb74 wrote:

2) Why must always I have projected geometry in the sketches...



Excellent point, I very much dislike projected lines and projected features. You should be able to select other solids. We need something more like this:

 

http://youtu.be/FUjYpPDhOto

 

:smileysurprised:

Franc
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Message 33 of 56 (7,677 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-06-2012 10:17 PM in reply to: FProcp

Something like this then... http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=20884205&siteID=123112 ;I got to see this firsthand and it looks VERY promising.  It even does Simulation and has been announced to have CAM capabilities built in as well.

 

This is using the TSplines technology that was originally developed for SW and Rhino, but Autodesk decided to buy it because Dassault didn't want to invest in their own technology.  Oh yea, they let HSMWorks (also going into Fusion 360) go to Autodesk and Moldflow too...wow, doesn't say much for internal investment at Dassault in their 3rd most important product (Enovia and Catia are first there).

 

Anyone want to tell me the equivalent of Alias Design, 3Ds Max, AutoCAD (no Draftsight doesn't count its closer to AutoCAD LT), AutoCAD Mechanical, AutoCAD Electrical (SW's new module for this looks promising though if anyone is actually using it), and Navisworks that you get with Inventor that SolidWorks gives you for free?  How about a dedicated Factory/Layout Module that syncs with AutoCAD?  Home grown Tooling package?

 

Small differences in the core modelor sure (each one has stolen ideas from the other), as mentioned here some things are better one way than the other, personally I hate the way configurations work in regards to data management with SolidWorks, I prefer to have unique traceable files rather than revving the entire configuration.  And when my configurations get to be too large, I can go to a full iLogic tool compared to a DriveWorksXpress which is too watered down for what I consult with.

 

These small things while they do matter, does fully show the bigger picture between the two companies and their future directions.

 

Am I a biased, sure, I drive a Ford, probably always will.  I drove a Chrysler for a while...and hated it.  I like how my truck runs and I get recall notices I don't have to pay for too. :smileyhappy:

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Message 34 of 56 (7,628 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 06:49 AM in reply to: Mark_Flayler

The way we think is not the result of who we are but it's caused by the environment we grow up in and live in.

 

Americans have a mentality of beautiful life, everyone has a say and we are all equal. Listen to the masses....

 

Does the American type personality and thought methodologies have the capability to create something as refined as a very different culture, i.e. the French for Solid-Works and the Germans for Solid-Edge.

 

Those cultures are more perfectionist cultures and they don't care about making everybody happy, like introducing some new stupid colouring scheme in Inventor that is worse than before or introducing the ribbon because it's what Microsoft is doing.

 

Does Autodesk have the thinking capability?

 

I could not imagine a Ferrari or Porsche coming out of the U.S. All they can produce is Dodges & Fords, don’t expect anything better :smileysad:

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Message 35 of 56 (7,622 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 06:57 AM in reply to: FProcp

FProcp wrote:

I could not imagine a Ferrari or Porsche coming out of the U.S. All they can produce is Dodges & Fords, don’t expect anything better :smileysad:


Really people?  Is this what it's coming to now?

 

About to add a post to the "delete my account please" thread.

 

 

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Message 36 of 56 (7,614 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 07:04 AM in reply to: ampster

I should add that I absolutely love Inventor and enjoy using it very much. It's my favourite piece of software.

 

I just worry when I hear people say what other packages can do and want to make sure Autodesk do not get left behind (like the US did with the car industry).

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Message 37 of 56 (7,591 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 08:09 AM in reply to: FProcp

Franc
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"I just worry when I hear people say what other packages can do and want to make sure Autodesk do not get left behind (like the US did with the car industry)."

 

Hate to tell you this, from my experience, they pretty much stay behind.

 

Another big gripe,  why would you allow the origin point in a sketch to be deleted ?   Really ??

 

Doug

 

 

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Message 38 of 56 (7,586 Views)

Re: Inventor vs. SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 08:22 AM in reply to: FProcp

Was a long time user of SW and I felt I was very productive with it.  Moved over to IV a few months ago and have never used so much profanity in my life.  My main complaint is that the interface does not exactly guide you through the workflows but rather seems apparently designed to confound us.  That said, I have gotten over the hump and have learned to appreciate IV more and more and would probably not want to give it up.  So far I would say IV can do anything SW can, some better, some worse...but really they are the same tool.  Other than perhaps that enough people are saying IV doesn't have the surfacing that SW does but I don't use that so can't say.

 

My productivity now is almost where I was in SW and will probably be equal to it during my next project.  I don't expect to get faster than SW since eventually the bottleneck is my brain generating ideas rather than clicks.  I mean to say, once you reduce your "what command button do I want to press and where is it'' latency to zero then what else is there.

 

Some things people really don't like about IV is where I think some of the power is.  For example I can take fairly complicated 2D sketches with a bunch of intersecting lines from legacy data and build up accurate models very quickly.  I think it is genius that you can define an extrude area from multiple bounds.  That less restrictive sketching technique allows you to model using 'geometry' instead of 'shapes', lets say.  Anyway I like that flexibility a lot and you get used to the seeming complexity.

 

I was pretty pissed at having to expressly project edges from the model into sketches, but mostly because it seemed messy and restrictive.  And it IS a little messy graphically, but over time you learn it is not at all restricting and probably does a lot to free up resources since you narrow the scope of external (to the sketch anyway) references to only what you need.  Plus once you master constraint creation and editing then the projected stuff gets under control pretty quick.

 

I really really like the IV BOM and Parts lists, and that probably is the main reason I wouldn't rush to go back to SW.

Placing fasteners in IV is super fast if you run CC.

 

One thing that really really gave me a bad taste about IV early on and made the software seem unprofessional was how the keyboard customization names didn't match the command names on the buttons.  DUH guys, but I'm over it.

 

Lastly, I am on 2011 still and the iparts and iassembly stability regards get, and check in and out of vault and member creation and read write status crap is frustrating.  I know now to rebuild-all before generating members so that helps a little.  And I think there is a windows 'functionality' issue tied into this, but hey iproperties and everything need to update when I say so.  I hear 2013 fixes some of this.

 

IV is good stuff, just has a steeper learning curve for the self taught types.  I have proven how much quicker it is to learn with support as I have been teaching others in my organization, and those IV skills I had to battle fiercely to acquire they can learn without any pain whatever.  I if had to do this over again I would have bought a training book earlier and read it often.  As it turned out, I bought the book a little later, but am filling in the blanks quicker because I know the tool already.

 

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Message 39 of 56 (7,547 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 12:25 PM in reply to: FProcp

 

Americans have a mentality of beautiful life, everyone has a say and we are all equal. Listen to the masses....

 

Does the American type personality and thought methodologies have the capability to create something as refined as a very different culture.


???  This Inventor/SolidWorks superiority topic flirts with bigotry a little too much as it is...  There's no need to escalate it like that.  :smileysad:

 

Although it's entertaining sometimes to sit back and watch, there's no one answer to the question of which software is superior.  There are just too many opinions out there for this to ever be clear.

 

And who cares anyway?  People using both programs are able to get the job done, and some of them even do it well.

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Message 40 of 56 (7,501 Views)

Re: Inventor vs SolidWorks - Which is better.

12-07-2012 05:21 PM in reply to: mikeweb74

Inventor (Not Autodesk) is behind every other Mid Level 3D CAD program. Don't get me wrong it's a good program and I enjoy using it. I love all using and learning any CAD program since AutoCad Rev 9. I just hate the fact that people chose Inventor just because they think it will work better with legacy AutoCad Data. That is just not the case! So i'll stop beating this dead horse.

Michael Webster, CD, CSWP
Purdue SWT, South Bend
South Bend, IN

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