Inventor versus Solidworks

[j.gossens]

Hello

Why should I buy Inventor instead of Solidworks. I now have 1 Inventor license. There is a need for 3 extra licenses. The salesman of Autodesk can not convinse me that Inventor is a better tool then Solidworks. I have seen things in Solidworks that are not possible in Inventor. e.g. Simpel mirror an assembly. Also the I-part possibility of Solidworks is much more simpel. Give me a good advice.

greatings Jan

[Anonymous]

>>did you
save and close your mdt dwg file before doing an update?

Yes I closed out of the assembly and opened parts
in MDT.  Then closed the parts and opened the assembly.

Kathy Johnson

[Anonymous]

those are the ones listed, I know of a couple of the larger companies use
mold tools in house. Mind you my count was only of places that did rubber
goods, there's plastics and iron works, etc

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> That many, eh? Who'd a guessed?
> ~Larry
>
> "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> news:5E9C98EEDC00B98489B4CC28363AF494@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > well larry, i've personally been to six or seven back when i was a lowly
> > shop hand. If i look in the phone book there's between 15 and twenty
five,
> > it's hard to sort out distributers and manufacturers from the yellow
> pages.
> >
> > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > news:8E2EAABA3A07C9BB15CE27B1DACD5AC3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Well ... I don't know ... really only need it with machines that need
> > wires
> > > ... how many those lay'n around ya' figure?
> > > ~Larry
> > >
> > > "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> > > news:9E5ACE4F2AF5B69F4D729879ED013730@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > I can think of a few places around Houston that could use that.
> > > >
> > > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > > > news:DB00BFCB3AA0F82E6CACA32EC1AE4037@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Oh yeah ... that's right ... we got'a keep down with the Jones ...
> > keep
> > > > > forget'n that.
> > > > > ~Larry
> > > > >
> > > > > "aanagnost" wrote in message
> > > > > news:f1a054f.20@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > That is not what I meant at all. The applications in Inventor
> > > > Professional
> > > > > (piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other vendors
> > sell
> > > as
> > > > > separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a packaging of
> > these
> > > > > add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't need all
these
> > > > add-ons
> > > > > (that is why our competitors only sell a few of them).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Thought we were talk'n machines that still need conduit for some odd reason.
~Larry

"Donovan Cox" wrote in message
news:F08CFAB25D537EBA09F71CD5D6902512@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> those are the ones listed, I know of a couple of the larger companies use
> mold tools in house. Mind you my count was only of places that did rubber
> goods, there's plastics and iron works, etc
>
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:E0BA1034FE473EF08270BA9A9BA59296@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > That many, eh? Who'd a guessed?
> > ~Larry
> >
> > "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> > news:5E9C98EEDC00B98489B4CC28363AF494@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > well larry, i've personally been to six or seven back when i was a
lowly
> > > shop hand. If i look in the phone book there's between 15 and twenty
> five,
> > > it's hard to sort out distributers and manufacturers from the yellow
> > pages.
> > >
> > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > > news:8E2EAABA3A07C9BB15CE27B1DACD5AC3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Well ... I don't know ... really only need it with machines that
need
> > > wires
> > > > ... how many those lay'n around ya' figure?
> > > > ~Larry
> > > >
> > > > "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> > > > news:9E5ACE4F2AF5B69F4D729879ED013730@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > I can think of a few places around Houston that could use that.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > > > > news:DB00BFCB3AA0F82E6CACA32EC1AE4037@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > Oh yeah ... that's right ... we got'a keep down with the Jones
...
> > > keep
> > > > > > forget'n that.
> > > > > > ~Larry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "aanagnost" wrote in message
> > > > > > news:f1a054f.20@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > That is not what I meant at all. The applications in Inventor
> > > > > Professional
> > > > > > (piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other
vendors
> > > sell
> > > > as
> > > > > > separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a packaging
of
> > > these
> > > > > > add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't need all
> these
> > > > > add-ons
> > > > > > (that is why our competitors only sell a few of them).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Is that what we were talking about, i thought it was molded products.
And conduit, yea alot of the skidded packages that go out on rigs, or into
plants have to have some sort of hard conduit.

Must extricate large shoe from mouth

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:FC3619E3BDCD58FBF4443741583F6584@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thought we were talk'n machines that still need conduit for some odd
reason.
> ~Larry
>
> "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> news:F08CFAB25D537EBA09F71CD5D6902512@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > those are the ones listed, I know of a couple of the larger companies
use
> > mold tools in house. Mind you my count was only of places that did
rubber
> > goods, there's plastics and iron works, etc
> >
> > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > news:E0BA1034FE473EF08270BA9A9BA59296@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > That many, eh? Who'd a guessed?
> > > ~Larry
> > >
> > > "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> > > news:5E9C98EEDC00B98489B4CC28363AF494@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > well larry, i've personally been to six or seven back when i was a
> lowly
> > > > shop hand. If i look in the phone book there's between 15 and twenty
> > five,
> > > > it's hard to sort out distributers and manufacturers from the yellow
> > > pages.
> > > >
> > > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > > > news:8E2EAABA3A07C9BB15CE27B1DACD5AC3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > Well ... I don't know ... really only need it with machines that
> need
> > > > wires
> > > > > ... how many those lay'n around ya' figure?
> > > > > ~Larry
> > > > >
> > > > > "Donovan Cox" wrote in message
> > > > > news:9E5ACE4F2AF5B69F4D729879ED013730@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > I can think of a few places around Houston that could use that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in
message
> > > > > > news:DB00BFCB3AA0F82E6CACA32EC1AE4037@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > > Oh yeah ... that's right ... we got'a keep down with the Jones
> ...
> > > > keep
> > > > > > > forget'n that.
> > > > > > > ~Larry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "aanagnost" wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:f1a054f.20@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > That is not what I meant at all. The applications in
Inventor
> > > > > > Professional
> > > > > > > (piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other
> vendors
> > > > sell
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a packaging
> of
> > > > these
> > > > > > > add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't need all
> > these
> > > > > > add-ons
> > > > > > > (that is why our competitors only sell a few of them).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Andrew
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Anonymous]

Hello? Is there anyone there that can answer my
question about the Mold application being added to AIP or AIS? Andrew?
Anyone?

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"aanagnost" <
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Mike,

That is not what I meant at all. The applications in Inventor Professional
(piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other vendors sell as
separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a packaging of these
add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't need all these add-ons
(that is why our competitors only sell a few of them).

Andrew

[Anonymous]

don't bet on it, Autodesk is a publicly traded
company and if they said yes or no, that could cause problems for them. If you
want a mold product, call them, email them, watch for betas, but i wouldn't get
your hopes up for an answer here.

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"MikeC" <
href="mailto:mcormier@carlincombustion.com">mcormier@carlincombustion.com>
wrote in message
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Hello? Is there anyone there that can answer my
question about the Mold application being added to AIP or AIS? Andrew?
Anyone?

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"aanagnost" <
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Mike,

That is not what I meant at all. The applications in Inventor
Professional (piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other
vendors sell as separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a
packaging of these add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't
need all these add-ons (that is why our competitors only sell a few of
them).

Andrew

[Anonymous]

Actually, at NDES last year they were showing off a
mold package for Inventor.  This was before Pro, so they might have pulled
it for that. 

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[Anonymous]

Well, I guess I've annoyed them enough. I'm even
sick of me.

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message
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don't bet on it, Autodesk is a publicly traded
company and if they said yes or no, that could cause problems for them. If you
want a mold product, call them, email them, watch for betas, but i wouldn't
get your hopes up for an answer here.

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"MikeC" <
href="mailto:mcormier@carlincombustion.com">mcormier@carlincombustion.com>
wrote in message
href="news:23A3977F58D130942B34FCA808FEB8DF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:23A3977F58D130942B34FCA80......

Hello? Is there anyone there that can answer my
question about the Mold application being added to AIP or AIS? Andrew?
Anyone?

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"aanagnost" <
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wrote in message
href="news:f1a054f.20@WebX.maYIadrTaRb">news:f1a054f.20@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

Mike,

That is not what I meant at all. The applications in Inventor
Professional (piping, cable and wire harness) are all things that other
vendors sell as separate add-on products. Inventor Professional is a
packaging of these add-ons - not our flagship product. Most people don't
need all these add-ons (that is why our competitors only sell a few of
them).

Andrew

[Anonymous]

Guys guys guys come on. You must admit it is EXTREMELY RARE to find product designed by a ME that used electricity, pneumatics, or hydraulics. PCBs and cable harnesses, I've heard of them. Clearly nobody molds parts anymore.....



I think the PIS series is actually intended for those people that do that stuff all the time instead of occaisionally. Sure we have wire harnesses here but it only takes up 2% of the time on the project so buying a module isn't money well spent. I think thats the whole point behind PIS and when you should buy it.

[Anonymous]

Kathy,

I have posted some files in CF for
you.

The only change I made to your files, was I made
the part files MDT part files.

So I opened your dwg's, and externalized the part1
file in each, and then placed each new dwg into inventor.

I opened the dwg from inventor using right click
open, made a pattern change, saved and closed, toggled back to inventor hit
update.

And it worked.

Maybe its the nested part in the MDT assy
file?

-Kevin

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"KJohnson" <kj@sensoft*.*ca>
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>>did
you save and close your mdt dwg file before doing an
update?

Yes I closed out of the assembly and opened parts
in MDT.  Then closed the parts and opened the assembly.

Kathy
Johnson

[Anonymous]

I haven't use MDT in a bazzillion years (Now thats what Thanksgiving is all about. I have something to be thankful for), but doesn't externalizing a part make you lose the drawing. So if someone needs to keep an external MDT version and an internal version doesn't that negate the reason for using proxy?

[Anonymous]

Well I have had it happen on MDT part files
too.  I opened your files and immediately had failures.  I repaired
them and then closed the assembly.  I opened the base plate and added a
view and saved in the layout.  The assembly was fine.  I added views
to the pins and the assembly constraints failed.

Kathy Johnson

[Anonymous]

Wonder what percentage of most people's time is spent extruding, revolving,
sheet metaling, weldmenting sketching... possible to think of a lot a ...
"not everyone will use that 8 hrs a day" add-ins, Id' guess, eh?
~Larry

"rllthomas" wrote in message
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> Guys guys guys come on. You must admit it is EXTREMELY RARE to find
product designed by a ME that used electricity, pneumatics, or hydraulics.
PCBs and cable harnesses, I've heard of them. Clearly nobody molds parts
anymore.....
>
>
> I think the PIS series is actually intended for those people that do that
stuff all the time instead of occaisionally. Sure we have wire harnesses
here but it only takes up 2% of the time on the project so buying a module
isn't money well spent. I think thats the whole point behind PIS and when
you should buy it.
>

[Anonymous]

Jan,

See the thread " If you have had the error : FATAL ERROR: Schema Migration when working with IDWs ".

Show me where the other guys are addressing the inevitable bugs like this that crop up in any software. The communication between users and Autodesk seems to be improving. I am very encouraged by the increased participation of Inventor developers here lately. Is it just me or have others detected an increased presence?

[Anonymous]

And very much appreciated, it is.
~Larry

"JDMATHER" wrote in message
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> Jan,
> See the thread " If you have had the error : FATAL ERROR: Schema Migration
when working with IDWs ".
> Show me where the other guys are addressing the inevitable bugs like this
that crop up in any software. The communication between users and Autodesk
seems to be improving. I am very encouraged by the increased participation
of Inventor developers here lately. Is it just me or have others detected an
increased presence?

[Anonymous]

I was just noticing the same thing. It is good to see.
Dave

[xavierl]

you dont want to suggest to dassault to discontinue SW. The end result will be that they drop the price of Catia and really give you a hard time.

Frans X Liebenberg

[Anonymous]

Is there Customization in SW? There is in IV. Make a difference to you? Hay most of the customization in IV is also shared for free.

[Anonymous]

And out of the ordinary from what I was/am used to elsewhere.

--
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Rui
www.cadmais.pt


"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> And very much appreciated, it is.
> ~Larry
>
> "JDMATHER" wrote in message
> news:f1a054f.52@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Jan,
> > See the thread " If you have had the error : FATAL ERROR: Schema
Migration
> when working with IDWs ".
> > Show me where the other guys are addressing the inevitable bugs like
this
> that crop up in any software. The communication between users and Autodesk
> seems to be improving. I am very encouraged by the increased participation
> of Inventor developers here lately. Is it just me or have others detected
an
> increased presence?
>
>

[Anonymous]

Mech_D

Yes there is customization in SW. A great deal of which is freely shared on the SW website. Same as it is here with IV...and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised of many of the others did the same thing.