INVENTOR SURFACING

[ravikmb5]

Still how many years we have to wait for
Including some advanced surfacing tools

Alias and revit has some freeform surfacing tools

Why cant some of those may be included to inventor
Is there any specific reason
for not including those features in inventor

Plastic parts needed some freeform surfacing
i knew those features may not be accurate but still Solidworks manages it

Why cant inventor

we have 70+ inventor 11 seats
and 30+ inventor 2009,2009
and few inventor 2010 seats

but many of our cad users like to use Solidworks instead of inventor
day by day inventor seats are reducing and solidworks seats are increasing

Our company policy to use only inventor Earlier
Now End users are Forcing Management to go for Solidworks

Solidworks have improved their performance over the years

but inventor Design team Doesn't doing that great job Comparitevly as solidworks do

I am great fan of Autodesk Inventor
using inventor for past 4 years
Now unfortunately My design team are all using Solidworks

i have done more than 70 projects in inventor
Some of Consisting morethan 1000 parts

i am very comfort with inventor
but still i like Some Advance features in innventor

RAVIKUMAR MB
ENGINEER ASSISTANT
BHARATH ELECTRONICS LTD.,
MINISTRY OF DEFENCE, INDIA

Edited by: ravikmb5 on Nov 10, 2009 10:00 PM

[JDMather]

>Why cant some of those may be included to inventor. Is there any specific reason for not including those features in inventor

My guess is because they want to sell Alias seats.

I often hear the same thing from SWx users regarding Catia.

[ravikmb5]

I do agree with you that Autodesk has seperate platforms for
surfacing- Alias
for rendering - Showcase
for Automation - intent
and so on

but all these are included in one software in SW
i also agree that SW comparetively has less Surfacing features to catia

but ok still it can be manage

We dont mind paying 5 times the price of inventor as of now
but definetly Mangement will not approve to put purchase so many softwares
if they divided so many platforms

Day by Day Inventor is loosing its Market
This is Sure
Many of our customers who are using inventor so long
switched to Solidworks
which is also a strong reason to replace inventor in our industry

Autodesk is such a great software company over the years
but i dont know why they are not concentrating on inventor

if things continues like this
Definetly INVENTOR WILL FALL SLOWLY

[yannick3]

Hi
I agree from my side i have two software and i like very very well inventor(I teach it) but the surfacing is very bad.
The first software i have purchased was inventor (i design atv Cargo box) and 1 year later i have purchased SW and now (3 year ago) most of my design are build with SW.
why:
1- the modeler is very fast versus inventor's modeler, I don't wait few minutes(sometime up to 15 minute) for a error
2-the move face, shell, thicken/ offset are more efficient (support self-intersecting)
3-free form feature
4-split face (in 1 feature we have sillouhette curve, intersection curve and projection curve)
5-deform
6-dome
7-Rule surface
8-heal surface
9-Delete face option (in 1 click i delete and patch tangent to surface,very usefull )
And the most powerfull is boundery surface

But when it's the time to design a machinery tool, inventor is the best of all

And the worst in all this, there will be no person from autodesk which is going to reply us.
No one is brave to explain the autodesk vision.(why put freeform feature in autocad with no draft analyse)

sorry for my poor english
See att. this is my last ATV's cargo box The sillouhette was made with autocad 2010 and finish with SW
because Inventor don't handle wery well the surface made in autocad (Offset and fillet)
I have try to make with Inv, but few day after and turn around the design i switch to SW and 6 H later it's done.

Yannick
Conception Yannick Verreault

[yannick3]

This is the base solid made with autocad with no draft analyse

[HallStevenson]

> {quote:title=Yannick3 wrote:}{quote}
> 2-the move face, shell, thicken/ offset are more efficient (support self-intersecting)
> 3-free form feature
> 4-split face (in 1 feature we have sillouhette curve, intersection curve and projection curve)
> 5-deform
> 6-dome
> 7-Rule surface
> 8-heal surface
> 9-Delete face option (in 1 click i delete and patch tangent to surface,very usefull )
> And the most powerfull is boundery surface

Can SolidWorks really do all of those (well) ? Some people find it sufficient that Inventor has a tool named "Thicken" or "Extend Surface" but how well those work doesn't factor in. I really hope the shape-modeling team work very, very closely with the Alias team or some of the Alias people actually work ON Inventor's shape tools.

[ravikmb5]

And the worst in all this, there will be no person from autodesk which is going to reply us.
No one is brave to explain the autodesk vision.

what is that Autodesk Vision?
to increase no of softwares
rather increasing no of features in a single software

Showcase should have been included as an addin in inventor

Autodesk just wants to make money
rather than satisifying Customers

[JDMather]

>Autodesk just wants to make money rather than satisifying Customers...

But the way to make money IS to satisfy the customer. When they first purchased Alias I had high hopes that it would be folded into Inventor in a release or two. I guess they have a plan, but I can't figure it out.

[Anonymous]

But they still include MDT as a surfacing utility program for Inventor
and can't even get the surfacing capability of that software folded
into Inventor!

JDMATHER wrote:
>> Autodesk just wants to make money rather than satisifying Customers...
>
> But the way to make money IS to satisfy the customer.

When they first purchased Alias I had high hopes that it would be

folded into Inventor in a release or two. I guess they have a plan,

but I can't figure it out.

[ravikmb5]

ITs already too late

i Knew they are Capable of integrating any kind of stuff in inventor
u see Alias,Maya,3ds Max,Autocad,Autocad Mechanical
they have developed from so many years
and there Design team is Excellent

But Somehow i see Inventor Design Team doesn't do that hard work
is inventor is last priority for Autodesk

[yannick3]

"Can SolidWorks really do all of those (well) ? "

I work with two software and i think the SW capability is only due to parasolid kernel
I compare Inv and SW day after day (year after year)and all that feature are very strong for SW. +
The Inventor's offset/thicken and move face (If i think stronger) all of surfacing command is a little baby versus the same command in SW.

Plus for Inventor, the multibody support is very more efficiency when is time to populate the body in part with his assembly
I love that! thanks
Good jod team for that feature

Yannick

[Anonymous]

Fusion, not Vision
--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, surfacing accounts for about 10% or less of all user
needs. It has been assigned a lower priority at Autodesk because they
already have three freeform modelers. Alias, 3D Studio Max and Maya.


--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
http://teknigroup.com

[HallStevenson]

> {quote:title=Guest wrote:}{quote}
> Unfortunately, surfacing accounts for about 10% or less of all user
> needs.

Then they should stop suggesting that they'll make "improvements" to things like surfacing. We've seen improvements, I'll admit, but they're more like baby steps vs leaps. Based on what others have stated, and it may be simply a result of using the Parasolid kernel, it looks like maybe we should have went with SolidWorks... 😞 Problem is, my employer is probably too invested in Inventor now.

> It has been assigned a lower priority at Autodesk because they
> already have three freeform modelers. Alias, 3D Studio Max and Maya.

But are those apps suitable at all for reasonably strict designing or are they very free-form ? I'm pretty sure 3DS Max and Maya are impractical. We're actually getting a copy of Alias for evaluation. If it works, Alias will be used for the curvy stuff and then transferred into Inventor.

[Anonymous]

Actually the ASM Kernel( ACIS) is fully capable in this area.
--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

Alias is a product design software. It can be precise, but is generally
freeform. It does have the ability (As does 3DS Max)to import Inventor
files directly. Once the file is imported into Alias, surfaces can be
added onto the existing import.

Alias has the ability to create a wire file (not wireframe) that
Inventor 2010 can open for the purpose of building tooling. If the alias
model changes, then those changes can be updated in Inventor. It is not
associative the other way, however.

I would totally disagree with the original poster in this thread that
SolidWorks does a perfect job. Most of the people that I know that do
surfacing in SW, actually do it in Rhino, then import the rhino file
into SolidWorks. You can do the same thing with Inventor. I realize that
this is not an answer, but it is a common problem with all solid modelers.

--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

"And the worst in all this, there will be no person from autodesk which is
going to reply us.
No one is brave to explain the autodesk vision.(why put freeform feature in
autocad with no draft analyse)"

The actual reason you won't see an autodesk person comment on features in
development is because, being a publicly traded company, they legally can't.
Similarly, non-autodesk people who've participated in product usability and
testing are bound by an NDA. If they comment about a technology in
development and then don't include it for some reason (say a critical bug
that hasn't been repaired) then they are at risk of being prosecuted for
stock manipulation.

[Anonymous]

Dennis,

So you don't consider UGNX to be a solid modeller?

Bob

Dennis Jeffrey wrote:

>
> I would totally disagree with the original poster in this thread that
> SolidWorks does a perfect job. Most of the people that I know that do
> surfacing in SW, actually do it in Rhino, then import the rhino file
> into SolidWorks. You can do the same thing with Inventor. I realize that
> this is not an answer, but it is a common problem with all solid modelers.
>

[Anonymous]

Advanced surfacing is an additional module to UG, according to my UG NX4
aNX6 Guy.
--
Dennis Jeffrey, Autodesk Inventor Certified Expert
Autodesk Manufacturing Implementation Certified Expert.
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
http://teknigroup.com

[Anonymous]

I never use the "advanced" surface features for what I do, those
are mainly for class A surfacing tasks. The basic surfacing
that comes standard with UG is way better than anything Inventor
or SW can do, but you do have to pay alot more for it I know.

Bob

Dennis Jeffrey wrote:
> Advanced surfacing is an additional module to UG, according to my UG NX4
> aNX6 Guy.