Inventor NG World Cup June03 - FINAL RESULTS

Anonymous · ‎06-20-2003

AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!

And a new World Cup participation record!
Thank you all 55 for joining the June challenge 2003.

NOTE: The first new entry next month will be participant #100 this
year...!!!

Remember - all is welcome to donate parts for the future challenges.
Just email your candidates to me: ph@ambu.com and I'll have a look.

The winning solution and one of my own will be uploaded to the Inventor
Customer Files (iCF) shortly along with the fresh scoreboard for the
Inventor NG World Cup challenge.

********AND THE RESULTS ARE:*********

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
#1 in 7:42 minutes - SEAN DOTSON
>>>>>>>>>>>CONGRATULATIONS<<<<<<<<<<<

#2 in 8:30 minutes - Thomas Andersson

#3 in 9:30 minutes - Michael Benoy

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10 minutes - Dominique Rudaz & Vadim Romanovich
10:15 minutes - Phil Eichbauer
11 minutes - Torbjørn Heglum
11:23 minutes - Patrick Berry
12:20 minutes - Michael Puschner
12:30 minutes - Ron Crain
13 minutes - Jonathan Poppitt & Jürgen Palme
13:21 minutes - Joe Bartels
14 minutes - Derek Longley & Ole Christer Lilledal
17 minutes - Peter Larsson
17:20 minutes - Bernard Farrington
17:22 minutes - Dave Cleveland
19 minutes - Mike Schindler & Steven Strik
21:08 minutes - Dan Dold
22: 40 minutes - Clark Stebleton
23:23 minutes - Tim Rumph
25 minutes - Wolfe Derle
27 minutes - Joe Parks
27:33 minutes - Tim Wallace
29 minutes - Roger Harvey, Jorgen Bjornes & *Tom Costan
31 minutes - Raymond Sanders
33:11 minutes - Aaron R. Friedman
34 minutes - Doug Robbie
35 minutes - Luis Pamintuan
38 minutes - Tracey Taylor
40 minutes - Richard Hinterhoeller & *Laurence Yeandle
48 minutes - Keith Bender
51 minutes - Robi Mukherjee
57 minutes - Michael Sammons
1h 30 minutes - Cor de Vlaming & Adi Corrales
2h - Alen Cmrecki

And with unsuccessful models:

15:45 minutes - Ed Rasmussen (wrong 'bridge', fillet dim and volume)
16:30 minutes - Richard Rankin (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
21 minutes - Frank Soto (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
25 minutes - Vincas Snirpunas (missing fillets and wrong 'bridge')
25 minutes - Michael Trull (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
27 minutes - Mike Poulsen (made a typo on the height dim)
32 minutes - Walter Holzwarth (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
36 minutes - Robert A. Schader (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
43:45 minutes - John Gaubatz (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
45 minutes - Jon Gardam (wrong 'bridge' and volume)
1h 27 minutes - Ryan Holley (missing fillets)
1h 40 minutes - Conor Kelly (wrong length and volume)
2h 30 minutes - Jörg Weber (wrong 'bridge' and volume)

Anonymous · ‎06-20-2003

Well done Sean!

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---

"Peer@Home" wrote in message
news:52591EFA86A9218EF89A3763FE5FFF7D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
> ********AND THE RESULTS ARE:*********
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> #1 in 7:42 minutes - SEAN DOTSON
> >>>>>>>>>>>CONGRATULATIONS<<<<<<<<<<<

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
done model.
Sean's model on the other hand you could be forgiven for thinking it was
done by a total beginner due to the amount of features, we all know he is
not of course.
I used the split method and taper edge and don't like to put all my fillets
in same feature too.
But Sean did manage to get the holes the right side of the split (I should
of dragged it down shssss don't tell Peer) probably Sean just likes to show
us that he's quick even the long way round :^)
Ahhhh.............the fillets we'll let
yo..........................................

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---

"Peer@Home" wrote in message
news:52591EFA86A9218EF89A3763FE5FFF7D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
>
> And a new World Cup participation record!
> Thank you all 55 for joining the June challenge 2003.
>
> NOTE: The first new entry next month will be participant #100 this
> year...!!!
>
> Remember - all is welcome to donate parts for the future challenges.
> Just email your candidates to me: ph@ambu.com and I'll have a look.
>
> The winning solution and one of my own will be uploaded to the Inventor
> Customer Files (iCF) shortly along with the fresh scoreboard for the
> Inventor NG World Cup challenge.

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

Thanks Laurence,

I find that if you try to apply too many features at one time you sometimes
end up taking more time going back and fixing things than doing them one at
a time.

For example. I first tried to place several of the filets are the same time
and it errored out. I quickly abounded that approach and went for the one
at a time method. In the end it was rather quick.

Personally I see no reason why they should fail all at the same time but not
one at a time. I think it's a problem with the kernel.

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Laurence Yeandle" wrote
in message news:DACE652D94A5DD385AAEA7D6AE42D24E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
> done model.
> Sean's model on the other hand you could be forgiven for thinking it was
> done by a total beginner due to the amount of features, we all know he is
> not of course.
> I used the split method and taper edge and don't like to put all my
fillets
> in same feature too.
> But Sean did manage to get the holes the right side of the split (I should
> of dragged it down shssss don't tell Peer) probably Sean just likes to
show
> us that he's quick even the long way round :^)
> Ahhhh.............the fillets we'll let
> yo..........................................
>
> --
> Laurence,
>
> Power is nothing without Control
> ---
>
>
> "Peer@Home" wrote in message
> news:52591EFA86A9218EF89A3763FE5FFF7D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
> >
> > And a new World Cup participation record!
> > Thank you all 55 for joining the June challenge 2003.
> >
> > NOTE: The first new entry next month will be participant #100 this
> > year...!!!
> >
> > Remember - all is welcome to donate parts for the future challenges.
> > Just email your candidates to me: ph@ambu.com and I'll have a look.
> >
> > The winning solution and one of my own will be uploaded to the Inventor
> > Customer Files (iCF) shortly along with the fresh scoreboard for the
> > Inventor NG World Cup challenge.
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

That should be abandoned not abounded.. (darn spell checker and twitchy
finger)

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
www.sdotson.com/faq.html
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"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:BA93A56B7A40FFDCA0DB19C2830063E4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks Laurence,
>
> I find that if you try to apply too many features at one time you
sometimes
> end up taking more time going back and fixing things than doing them one
at
> a time.
>
> For example. I first tried to place several of the filets are the same
time
> and it errored out. I quickly abounded that approach and went for the one
> at a time method. In the end it was rather quick.
>
> Personally I see no reason why they should fail all at the same time but
not
> one at a time. I think it's a problem with the kernel.
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> Check the Inventor FAQ for most common questions
> www.sdotson.com/faq.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ------
> "Laurence Yeandle" wrote
> in message news:DACE652D94A5DD385AAEA7D6AE42D24E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
> > done model.
> > Sean's model on the other hand you could be forgiven for thinking it was
> > done by a total beginner due to the amount of features, we all know he
is
> > not of course.
> > I used the split method and taper edge and don't like to put all my
> fillets
> > in same feature too.
> > But Sean did manage to get the holes the right side of the split (I
should
> > of dragged it down shssss don't tell Peer) probably Sean just likes to
> show
> > us that he's quick even the long way round :^)
> > Ahhhh.............the fillets we'll let
> > yo..........................................
> >
> > --
> > Laurence,
> >
> > Power is nothing without Control
> > ---
> >
> >
> > "Peer@Home" wrote in message
> > news:52591EFA86A9218EF89A3763FE5FFF7D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
> > >
> > > And a new World Cup participation record!
> > > Thank you all 55 for joining the June challenge 2003.
> > >
> > > NOTE: The first new entry next month will be participant #100 this
> > > year...!!!
> > >
> > > Remember - all is welcome to donate parts for the future challenges.
> > > Just email your candidates to me: ph@ambu.com and I'll have a look.
> > >
> > > The winning solution and one of my own will be uploaded to the
Inventor
> > > Customer Files (iCF) shortly along with the fresh scoreboard for the
> > > Inventor NG World Cup challenge.
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

Fillets oh yes been fiddly for some time, I errored too so I too go to my
preferred grouping fillets say by planes or faces or edges helps to track
down rogue ( not rouge...don't need any of that 🙂 ) fillets and if the
model relies on the correct order you can drag or just suppress to try a
different way.
I think it does depend on the way / order you apply them?
I have looked at but not fully investigated the different types of fillets
in the " << " tab too.
I'm sure I have used too many too's oh well least I corrected my spelling on
rogue.

P.S. Actually I have spent some time building a hyper IV WC model but can't
decide whether its to complex or not.
It does use some advanced feature applications along with a "type" of fillet
not used in IV WC's so far, would this really over complicate the model and
force more retirements.........huh.......all I need to do is draw / dim it
up and send it in for Peer to laugh at 🙂

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
news:BA93A56B7A40FFDCA0DB19C2830063E4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Thanks Laurence,
>
> I find that if you try to apply too many features at one time you
sometimes
> end up taking more time going back and fixing things than doing them one
at
> a time.
>
> For example. I first tried to place several of the filets are the same
time
> and it errored out. I quickly abounded that approach and went for the one
> at a time method. In the end it was rather quick.
>
> Personally I see no reason why they should fail all at the same time but
not
> one at a time. I think it's a problem with the kernel.
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

> Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
> done model.

No kidding. 3 sketches and 5 features!

I spent over half of my time trying to figure out the face draft tool. It
seemed that no matter what combination of features I picked, the draft would
add material. I finally gave up and used some angled planes and the split
tool. Looking at Sean's model, I see he had no problem with the draft tool.
Go figure.

Congrats to Peer for a fun contest and Sean for the winning model.

-Tom

"Laurence Yeandle" wrote
in message news:DACE652D94A5DD385AAEA7D6AE42D24E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
> done model.
> Sean's model on the other hand you could be forgiven for thinking it was
> done by a total beginner due to the amount of features, we all know he is
> not of course.
> I used the split method and taper edge and don't like to put all my
fillets
> in same feature too.
> But Sean did manage to get the holes the right side of the split (I should
> of dragged it down shssss don't tell Peer) probably Sean just likes to
show
> us that he's quick even the long way round :^)
> Ahhhh.............the fillets we'll let
> yo..........................................
>
> --
> Laurence,
>
> Power is nothing without Control
> ---
>
>
> "Peer@Home" wrote in message
> news:52591EFA86A9218EF89A3763FE5FFF7D@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > AND WE HAVE A WINNER !!!
> >
> > And a new World Cup participation record!
> > Thank you all 55 for joining the June challenge 2003.
> >
> > NOTE: The first new entry next month will be participant #100 this
> > year...!!!
> >
> > Remember - all is welcome to donate parts for the future challenges.
> > Just email your candidates to me: ph@ambu.com and I'll have a look.
> >
> > The winning solution and one of my own will be uploaded to the Inventor
> > Customer Files (iCF) shortly along with the fresh scoreboard for the
> > Inventor NG World Cup challenge.
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

You can pretty much tell, in most cases, when a filet is going to fail after
you highlight the path, but just because it looks like it will work okay
doesn't mean much. Actually, I'm pretty sure when a fillet definitely won't
work, but when they will work is always a guess and/or a surprise
FAICT.
~Larry

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

I've used the draft tool before so I knew how it would work, but my first
choice was extrude with taper...........blaaaaaaa....like always I try
several methods till I realised the right one is the last I think of 😞
Peer didn't waste time on splits and draftees, simple's best but how long it
take him?

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---

"Tom Costan" wrote in message
news:5355986C8F810E8511CD6439EA4E0353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's simply
> > done model.
>
>
> No kidding. 3 sketches and 5 features!
>
> I spent over half of my time trying to figure out the face draft tool.
It
> seemed that no matter what combination of features I picked, the draft
would
> add material. I finally gave up and used some angled planes and the split
> tool. Looking at Sean's model, I see he had no problem with the draft
tool.
> Go figure.

Anonymous · ‎06-21-2003

(I) don't feel bad. I did the same. Sketch a rectangle and extrude with
taper. Doh!

-Tom
"Laurence Yeandle" wrote
in message news:EE35978D427C46B1B7B1C6FBA31E77AF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I've used the draft tool before so I knew how it would work, but my first
> choice was extrude with taper...........blaaaaaaa....like always I try
> several methods till I realised the right one is the last I think of 😞
> Peer didn't waste time on splits and draftees, simple's best but how long
it
> take him?
>
> --
> Laurence,
>
> Power is nothing without Control
> ---
>
>
> "Tom Costan" wrote in message
> news:5355986C8F810E8511CD6439EA4E0353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Just had a peek at the models and was not surprised to see Peer's
simply
> > > done model.
> >
> >
> > No kidding. 3 sketches and 5 features!
> >
> > I spent over half of my time trying to figure out the face draft tool.
> It
> > seemed that no matter what combination of features I picked, the draft
> would
> > add material. I finally gave up and used some angled planes and the
split
> > tool. Looking at Sean's model, I see he had no problem with the draft
> tool.
> > Go figure.
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-22-2003

I used the Face Draft tool on my first pass only to have the model fail when
I tried to mirror it on the line of symmetry. Which leads to my greatest
frustration with Inventor - never knowing when the choice of a tool will
create problems in subsequent operations! I know how to use the tools and my
modeling approach is typically fundamentally sound, I just have no
confidence that Inventor will work as one would expect it to work.

To be fair, I frequently would like to make use of the Face Draft,
Mirroring, Shelling, and Patterning tools - all of which seem particularly
sensitive to this issue. But the fact that they lead to problems quite often
has left me with a general feeling that I cannot count on using these tools.
So I find myself avoiding them unless I have them time available to start
over should I run into problems using them. Obviously other people feel the
same as evidenced by Sean's approach to using the Face Draft and Fillet
tools.

Which leads me to greatest frustration when timing myself for these monthly
challenges: Its not how fast I can create a model, its how fast I can find a
combination of Inventor's tools that will work together to create the model.
In each of the three challenges I have completed, I have had to start over
using a different modeling approach due to the failure of one tool or
another. For this model, I abandoned the Face Draft tool and used two
tapered extrusions to create the model, one for the main body and the other
for the tapered channel. Using this approach, the part can be easily and
simply modeled with or without the mirror tool. But it does require an extra
extrusion to remove the taper from the bottom surface of the main body.

By the way, I cannot blame Inventor for not having completed the model
correctly. I overlooked the fact that the cylindrical portion of the bridge
is not tangent to the adjacent flat.

"Laurence Yeandle" wrote
in message news:EE35978D427C46B1B7B1C6FBA31E77AF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I've used the draft tool before so I knew how it would work, but my first
> choice was extrude with taper...........blaaaaaaa....like always I try
> several methods till I realised the right one is the last I think of 😞
> Peer didn't waste time on splits and draftees, simple's best but how long
it
> take him?

Anonymous · ‎06-22-2003

In the past when I have remodelled the competition model after the results
are in it takes me all of 15 to 30% of my original time.
But of course it easy when you know how, this model was relatively easy
judging by the record participants? I am quite used to coming in last place
but the feeling of completing a correct model out weighs the embarrassment
of last place.
I have several times had to scrap my model and start again, just can't seem
to get it all together.
Don't give up at all and keep going till its correct you will quite often
finish model then spend that time again on fixing the errors to get correct
volume.
Its all part of it and the same for all of us, even Sean can error out, this
model had none of the fiddly stuff some of past models had.
So I had another bash using my method 16 mins wrong volume 3 minutes to
correct, 19 minutes.
Now if I had done that first time round I'd be happy...............oh well.

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---

"Michael Trull" wrote in message
news:345BB9A3E7B79C588DAED1233E4AE40C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

> By the way, I cannot blame Inventor for not having completed the model
> correctly. I overlooked the fact that the cylindrical portion of the
bridge
> is not tangent to the adjacent flat.
>
> "Laurence Yeandle" wrote
> in message news:EE35978D427C46B1B7B1C6FBA31E77AF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I've used the draft tool before so I knew how it would work, but my
first
> > choice was extrude with taper...........blaaaaaaa....like always I try
> > several methods till I realised the right one is the last I think of 😞
> > Peer didn't waste time on splits and draftees, simple's best but how
long
> it
> > take him?
>
>

Anonymous · ‎06-22-2003

I totally agree. I was stuck with the drafts not being able to mirror so as
not to redo the part, I was able to use the half as a derived part and then
I was able to mirror the body. Not the best way of doing it but it worked.

"Michael Trull" wrote in message
news:345BB9A3E7B79C588DAED1233E4AE40C@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I used the Face Draft tool on my first pass only to have the model fail
when
> I tried to mirror it on the line of symmetry. Which leads to my greatest
> frustration with Inventor - never knowing when the choice of a tool will
> create problems in subsequent operations! I know how to use the tools and
my
> modeling approach is typically fundamentally sound, I just have no
> confidence that Inventor will work as one would expect it to work.
>
> To be fair, I frequently would like to make use of the Face Draft,
> Mirroring, Shelling, and Patterning tools - all of which seem particularly
> sensitive to this issue. But the fact that they lead to problems quite
often
> has left me with a general feeling that I cannot count on using these
tools.
> So I find myself avoiding them unless I have them time available to start
> over should I run into problems using them. Obviously other people feel
the
> same as evidenced by Sean's approach to using the Face Draft and Fillet
> tools.
>
> Which leads me to greatest frustration when timing myself for these
monthly
> challenges: Its not how fast I can create a model, its how fast I can find
a
> combination of Inventor's tools that will work together to create the
model.
> In each of the three challenges I have completed, I have had to start over
> using a different modeling approach due to the failure of one tool or
> another. For this model, I abandoned the Face Draft tool and used two
> tapered extrusions to create the model, one for the main body and the
other
> for the tapered channel. Using this approach, the part can be easily and
> simply modeled with or without the mirror tool. But it does require an
extra
> extrusion to remove the taper from the bottom surface of the main body.
>
> By the way, I cannot blame Inventor for not having completed the model
> correctly. I overlooked the fact that the cylindrical portion of the
bridge
> is not tangent to the adjacent flat.
>
> "Laurence Yeandle" wrote
> in message news:EE35978D427C46B1B7B1C6FBA31E77AF@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I've used the draft tool before so I knew how it would work, but my
first
> > choice was extrude with taper...........blaaaaaaa....like always I try
> > several methods till I realised the right one is the last I think of 😞
> > Peer didn't waste time on splits and draftees, simple's best but how
long
> it
> > take him?
>
>

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