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JNORDGREN
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Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-19-2012 05:43 PM in reply to: trumpy81

Andy, I have to say... that I cant say it any better myself.  ARE YOU LISTENING AUTODESK?

My company spends 200k + with Autodesk every year, and the product just keep getting worse!  The reason I am here at 8:30 at night, reading on the discussion group is that I have been waiting for 20 minutes now for a simple assembly to respond to a 'Copy Components' command.   I cant take it anymore.

I have recently been promoted to a new position where I finally may have some influence on our companie's CAD software.   I am seriously considering demanding that we dump Autodesk all together, and all of years and thousands of dollars invested in it!!  I used Solidworks a few years back in my previous career, and we NEVER had so many and such silly annoying bugs.  

Autodesk, do you realize that amongst us at the user level in any serious mfg. outfit... you are becoming a JOKE?

 

And after reading just a little bit, I am very scared of "upgrading" to 2013.  I have already had our IT dept hold off on it (we are on subscription),  but this is looking really bad.

 

AUTODESK .... please listen to Andy!!   Inventor has been good to us all, and we love(d) it, but damm-it we need software that works and works right!  It doesnt need any new features!  The interface is fine!!  PLEASE just make it faster and devote at least some of your vast resources to FIXING the FREAKING mountain of bugs which grows instead of shrinks with every new release.  

 

James

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jeanchile
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Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-19-2012 06:25 PM in reply to: DVDM

DVDM wrote:

 

In that case I would recommend the Assemble>Productivity>Ground and root Component option. Downside is this only works for parts, not sub-assemblies.


I use this for sub-assemblies all the time. Just did it again before this post. Am I missing something about your statement here?

 

Also, my company uses FG in almost every project but we don't have Vault right now. We are considering adding staff and Vault to our engineering department. Are you saying that we would need to come up with unique file names for every part created by FG? That doesn't sound like that is going to work with our workflow at all. How can we create these unique file names, manually change them in the dialog box that pops up when you create the frame? How can I put this politely... Screw that!

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DVDM
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Message 103 of 138 (1,623 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-19-2012 06:45 PM in reply to: jeanchile

Hi jeanchile,

My statement was incorrect. I recently discovered it behaved this way because I had my cursor set to Select Part Priority, so ground-and-rooting a part selected within a subassembly clearly does nothing. Set to Select Component Priority is works just fine on subassemblies. My bad.

 

In regards to FG and Vault, usually it's good practise to set it up so all filenames need to be unique, and force this upon check-in. It is possible however to not have this as a requirement, it just means you now need to continue using project files within your Vaulted environment to keep the generic FG part file names separated.

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jeanchile
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Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-19-2012 10:50 PM in reply to: DVDM

DVDM wrote:

...It is possible however to not have this as a requirement, it just means you now need to continue using project files within your Vaulted environment to keep the generic FG part file names separated.



Okay, excellent. This is good information to have, thank you.

 

I guess I do have one more question for you if you'll permit me: We use project files for each contract/project we complete for our clients but in each project we have different FG "sub-assemblies". What I mean is that we have a master skeleton file that is used to create several different FG assemblies that are then assembled together in a top level assembly. This allows several people to work on different areas of larger platforms at the same time and then we connect them together at the top level assembly. What this means is that under one project file we might have several FG file names that are the same (e.g. ANSI W8x10 0000001, etc.) but because they are in different folder paths (for each FG sub-assembly), we don't have a problem with the non-unique names. Is this going to be okay? If not, do you know of a way to have 4 different people working in 4 different areas of the same frame at the same time, using Vault?

 

This would be a typical "frame" for us:111227-11177-WZ Bldg 92 EBM PhaseIII-ReviewPic#01.jpg

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Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 05:25 AM in reply to: jeanchile

jeanchile wrote:
 ...What this means is that under one project file we might have several FG file names that are the same (e.g. ANSI W8x10 0000001, etc.) but because they are in different folder paths (for each FG sub-assembly), we don't have a problem with the non-unique names. Is this going to be okay? If not, do you know of a way to have 4 different people working in 4 different areas of the same frame at the same time, using Vault?

 


We use Vault, but we use a single ipj for all our projects.  For each job that we do, we have a sub-folder for the job.  When we are creating parts, we just go in sequential order for the filenames.  We do have unique filenames as a requirement since we are using a single project file.  I attached a shot of Vault and how we have our folders broken down for each job.

 

I know what you are saying about naming the FG parts with 3 or 4 different people working on the same thing.  Maybe you could tell one person to use -100 series, person two to use -200 series and so on when they are creating the members.

 

You said that you use a master sketch for the structure.  Could you post a shot of it.. I'd like to see how you are doing that. Do you use different sketches for say level 1 and level 2?

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richiesuk
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Message 106 of 138 (1,565 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 08:42 AM in reply to: JNORDGREN

dream on...

they need to catch new costumers with new fancy stuff...

all those innocent people only will see these shiny good feutures ,etc...

 

 

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jeanchile
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Message 107 of 138 (1,552 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 09:18 AM in reply to: karthur1

karthur1 wrote:
....Maybe you could tell one person to use -100 series, person two to use -200 series and so on when they are creating the members. 

Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken (which happens all the time), we are still stuck with someone renaming all of the files before checking them in to Vault right?

Here's a screenshot of what one of our typical skeleton files would look like. I've attached the part file as well. It depends on the organization of the project and the orientation of the framing but we sometimes start with the framing elevations and then the plan views which is the way this one was done. Lots of things happen on our projects before we get to this point though and if the framing is started before some of the other things are worked out it's almost impossible start with anything but the plan views first..

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Message 108 of 138 (1,543 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 09:45 AM in reply to: FProcp

My current wish list item(s)

All presentation (ipt) related:

1. Allow multiple object selection via crossing window

2. Create and save selection sets

3. Ability to save multiple cameras

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Message 109 of 138 (1,537 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 09:54 AM in reply to: jeanchile

jeanchile wrote:
Yeah, but unless I'm mistaken (which happens all the time), we are still stuck with someone renaming all of the files before checking them in to Vault right?
I dont know how your workflow is, but when I am doing FG members, I name them when they are created. By default, Inventor will name them like W12x26 000001, but you can change that to whatever you want to name each piece.  Or, you can accept the default name, but then if you choose to enforce unique filenames in Vault, yes, you will have to rename them before checking them in.  Guess you could use DA to rename them and retain the relationships.
Thanks for sharing the master sketch. Interesting to see how others develop this stuff.  Are the sketch lines the center of the members or an edge? Is that a "Rule" you live by or does that vary?
 

 

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DVDM
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Message 110 of 138 (1,511 Views)

Re: Inventor 2014 Wish List?

12-20-2012 03:47 PM in reply to: jeanchile

jeanchile wrote:
Okay, excellent. This is good information to have, thank you.

I guess I do have one more question for you if you'll permit me: We use project files for each contract/project we complete for our clients but in each project we have different FG "sub-assemblies". What I mean is that we have a master skeleton file that is used to create several different FG assemblies that are then assembled together in a top level assembly. This allows several people to work on different areas of larger platforms at the same time and then we connect them together at the top level assembly. What this means is that under one project file we might have several FG file names that are the same (e.g. ANSI W8x10 0000001, etc.) but because they are in different folder paths (for each FG sub-assembly), we don't have a problem with the non-unique names. Is this going to be okay? If not, do you know of a way to have 4 different people working in 4 different areas of the same frame at the same time, using Vault?

 


Hi jeanchile,

 

All that Vault really is, is a program that allows all designers in a team collaborate on a design while each individual keeps all files in the dataset on their local harddrive. Whatever setup you had in a network-share environment, should work in a Vaulted environment as well.

Vault does a few things: It's a filestore containing the latest checked-in version, as well as a certain number of older versions. Vault is aware of relationships between files within Vault, so files can easily be moved and renamed. Vault is a gatekeeper that only allows one person to edit a file at a time, even though 10 other people might have a copy of that file sitting on their local harddrive. It allows people to check for updates that others might have made, and retrieve those changes.

 

At the end of the day, it's the same as each designer copying the entire dataset and filestructure as you have it now to their local harddrive, and working from that instead, including any duplicate filenames within subdirectories. Vault is the mechanism that tries to keep all these duplicate files connected and up-to-date somehow.

Unfortunately, as a user of the Base vault myself, this mechanism is nowhere near as automatic and integrated as I'd like, but is a necessary evil.

 

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