I wish...

[Anonymous]

...to be allowed to use section lines as reference lines to put
dimensions in a drawing.

M.

[Anonymous]

Try here
http://www.augi.com/inventor/default.asp


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
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"MarcoA" wrote in message news:5219616@discussion.autodesk.com...
...to be allowed to use section lines as reference lines to put
dimensions in a drawing.

M.

[Anonymous]

il giorno 27/06/2006 12.10 Duncan Anderson ha scritto:

> Try here
> http://www.augi.com/inventor/default.asp

I'll do.

M.

[Anonymous]

Can do. See attached.
(may need Techsmith codec here:
http://www.techsmith.com/products/studio/codecdownload.asp)

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Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk
"MarcoA" wrote in message
news:5219616@discussion.autodesk.com...
...to be allowed to use section lines as reference lines to put
dimensions in a drawing.

M.

[Anonymous]

Thank you Andrew, I've just learned something new! And just as importantly
thank you Marco for asking the question.

Mac.


"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:5219683@discussion.autodesk.com...
Can do. See attached.
(may need Techsmith codec here:
http://www.techsmith.com/products/studio/codecdownload.asp)

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk
"MarcoA" wrote in message
news:5219616@discussion.autodesk.com...
..to be allowed to use section lines as reference lines to put
dimensions in a drawing.

M.

[Anonymous]

A little more steps than most would probably like to do, but.... Why can't a section line be used like a normal line and without using "Retrieve dimensions" ??

And since I saw it in your AVI, is the "Edit dim" mini-dialog necessary on a reference dimension placement ?? It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

I get the impression that MarcoA wanted something a little easier, like one dialogue box and three clicks.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



wrote in message news:5219722@discussion.autodesk.com...
A little more steps than most would probably like to do, but.... Why can't a section line be used like a normal line and without
using "Retrieve dimensions" ??

And since I saw it in your AVI, is the "Edit dim" mini-dialog necessary on a reference dimension placement ?? It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Geez, until I chimed in the assumption was that you couldn't do it at all,
now that I show how to do it there's complaints that it's too difficult?

OK, I don't disagree, but its bigger than just being able to dimension to
the section line....really.

Is it necessary to change the reference attribute? That's entirely depends
on the situation and is up to the individual user. I just wanted to show
that you could.


--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk
"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:5219761@discussion.autodesk.com...
I get the impression that MarcoA wanted something a little easier, like one
dialogue box and three clicks.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



wrote in message news:5219722@discussion.autodesk.com...
A little more steps than most would probably like to do, but.... Why can't a
section line be used like a normal line and without
using "Retrieve dimensions" ??

And since I saw it in your AVI, is the "Edit dim" mini-dialog necessary on a
reference dimension placement ?? It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

lol...when I watched that clip all I could think of was...boy thats a
lot of work to create 1 dimension.

Andrew Faix (Autodesk) wrote:
> Geez, until I chimed in the assumption was that you couldn't do it at all,
> now that I show how to do it there's complaints that it's too difficult?
>
> OK, I don't disagree, but its bigger than just being able to dimension to
> the section line....really.
>
> Is it necessary to change the reference attribute? That's entirely depends
> on the situation and is up to the individual user. I just wanted to show
> that you could.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Sure, it's actually five additional picks. I agree that's a lot of steps.
How often does this ever have to be done?

Is 5 additional picks better than not supporting it at all?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk
"Troy Grose >" <"mount_mordor ATbITTmEsPAM Hotmail DOT com">
wrote in message news:5219818@discussion.autodesk.com...
lol...when I watched that clip all I could think of was...boy thats a
lot of work to create 1 dimension.

Andrew Faix (Autodesk) wrote:
> Geez, until I chimed in the assumption was that you couldn't do it at all,
> now that I show how to do it there's complaints that it's too difficult?
>
> OK, I don't disagree, but its bigger than just being able to dimension to
> the section line....really.
>
> Is it necessary to change the reference attribute? That's entirely
> depends
> on the situation and is up to the individual user. I just wanted to show
> that you could.
>
>

[Anonymous]

Ohh... awwww.... yelp....my wrist is already hurting and I haven't even
tried it yet. I am in sooo much pain.... 😉

No it's not used that often, at least not for me. So I *Guess* its
better that it is supported in a unconventional torturing kind of way.
(did I just agree with you!?!?!?)

Andrew Faix (Autodesk) wrote:
> Sure, it's actually five additional picks. I agree that's a lot of steps.
> How often does this ever have to be done?
>
> Is 5 additional picks better than not supporting it at all?
>

[Anonymous]

Ahh, I wasn't replying just to you 🙂

Did you agree with me? Let's hope not - I think that's one of the signs of
the apocalypse 😉

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Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"Troy Grose >" <"mount_mordor ATbITTmEsPAM Hotmail DOT com">
wrote in message news:5219922@discussion.autodesk.com...
Ohh... awwww.... yelp....my wrist is already hurting and I haven't even
tried it yet. I am in sooo much pain.... 😉

No it's not used that often, at least not for me. So I *Guess* its
better that it is supported in a unconventional torturing kind of way.
(did I just agree with you!?!?!?)

Andrew Faix (Autodesk) wrote:
> Sure, it's actually five additional picks. I agree that's a lot of steps.
> How often does this ever have to be done?
>
> Is 5 additional picks better than not supporting it at all?
>

[Anonymous]

Andrew Faix (Autodesk) wrote:
> Ahh, I wasn't replying just to you 🙂

I guess thats my selfishness shinning through

[Anonymous]

il giorno 27/06/2006 14.49 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> Geez, until I chimed in the assumption was that you couldn't do it at all,
> now that I show how to do it there's complaints that it's too difficult?
>
> OK, I don't disagree, but its bigger than just being able to dimension to
> the section line....really.
>
> Is it necessary to change the reference attribute? That's entirely depends
> on the situation and is up to the individual user. I just wanted to show
> that you could.

Thank you!
It's not exactly what I was wishing, but... I'm happy to see that it
is actually possible.

What I wish is to be able to manage section lines the same as I do
with axes or centers (just in dimensioning step). It has nothing to do
with my laziness or with the number of mouse clicks: it is because
adding dimensions to a view is a different (and following) step than
editing sections. In an ideal work-flow, it's something like "adding a
new layer" over the "layer" of views and sections, and over the
"layer" of centers and axis.

The question rose when trying to add a dimension between two holes
centers: one of them had a section line passing throught, so that a
reference line overlapped the section line (I always try to avoid
lines to overlap, if possible). The solution would be to attach the
dimension to the section line. And so it is.

My new wish is that... the process will be as simple as "normal"
dimensioning, and... as simple as it is in other CAD softwares... ((-;


Thank you very much!

M.

[Anonymous]

OK, I think I understand. So to clarify, you're not necessarily wanting to
dimension the actual section line, you want to dimension to a feature (hole
or other circular edge) that the section line is constrained to, and you
don't want the extension line running all the way through the section line.
In essence, you want that dim gap, correct?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"MarcoA" wrote in message
news:5219968@discussion.autodesk.com...
il giorno 27/06/2006 14.49 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> Geez, until I chimed in the assumption was that you couldn't do it at all,
> now that I show how to do it there's complaints that it's too difficult?
>
> OK, I don't disagree, but its bigger than just being able to dimension to
> the section line....really.
>
> Is it necessary to change the reference attribute? That's entirely
> depends
> on the situation and is up to the individual user. I just wanted to show
> that you could.

Thank you!
It's not exactly what I was wishing, but... I'm happy to see that it
is actually possible.

What I wish is to be able to manage section lines the same as I do
with axes or centers (just in dimensioning step). It has nothing to do
with my laziness or with the number of mouse clicks: it is because
adding dimensions to a view is a different (and following) step than
editing sections. In an ideal work-flow, it's something like "adding a
new layer" over the "layer" of views and sections, and over the
"layer" of centers and axis.

The question rose when trying to add a dimension between two holes
centers: one of them had a section line passing throught, so that a
reference line overlapped the section line (I always try to avoid
lines to overlap, if possible). The solution would be to attach the
dimension to the section line. And so it is.

My new wish is that... the process will be as simple as "normal"
dimensioning, and... as simple as it is in other CAD softwares... ((-;


Thank you very much!

M.

[Anonymous]

il giorno 27/06/2006 16.47 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> OK, I think I understand. So to clarify, you're not necessarily wanting to
> dimension the actual section line, you want to dimension to a feature (hole
> or other circular edge) that the section line is constrained to, and you
> don't want the extension line running all the way through the section line.
> In essence, you want that dim gap, correct?

Correct!

M.

[Anonymous]

Something like the picture shows?

Ken
"MarcoA" wrote in message
news:5220145@discussion.autodesk.com...
il giorno 27/06/2006 16.47 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> OK, I think I understand. So to clarify, you're not necessarily wanting
> to
> dimension the actual section line, you want to dimension to a feature
> (hole
> or other circular edge) that the section line is constrained to, and you
> don't want the extension line running all the way through the section
> line.
> In essence, you want that dim gap, correct?

Correct!

M.

[Anonymous]

This is a fairly typical issue with wish lists and why we (product
designers) don't necessarily just push wish-lists. The REAL problem here is
extension line formatting. This is an EXCELLENT object lesson on making
sure people tailor their wish-lists to their problems and not the other way
around.

I'm not coming down on you Marco, I'm just glad we figured out the real
issue 🙂

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"Ken" wrote in message
news:5220162@discussion.autodesk.com...
Something like the picture shows?

Ken
"MarcoA" wrote in message
news:5220145@discussion.autodesk.com...
il giorno 27/06/2006 16.47 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> OK, I think I understand. So to clarify, you're not necessarily wanting
> to
> dimension the actual section line, you want to dimension to a feature
> (hole
> or other circular edge) that the section line is constrained to, and you
> don't want the extension line running all the way through th
e section
> line.
> In essence, you want that dim gap, correct?

Correct!

M.

[Anonymous]

il giorno 27/06/2006 17.33 Ken ha scritto:

> Something like the picture shows?

Exactly!
I always put a center symbol onto holes, so that often I attach the
dimension line directly on the center line. I expected a similar
behaviour from section lines.

M.

[Anonymous]

il giorno 27/06/2006 17.42 Andrew Faix (Autodesk) ha scritto:

> The REAL problem here is extension line formatting.

Formatting the extension line could be a (good) workaround: I could
continue to attach my extension line to the geometry (lines, centres,
axes), and THEN dragging the end of the line in order to avoid it to
overlap the section line.

I used this technique in other CAD softwares, but I always found it so
imprecise! How much should I drag?
If I could directly attach extension lines to every other line in the
view (section lines, in this case), it would be the best.

Just My 2 Cents, of course!

I wonder why it's not an implemented feature, and why it is so much
more difficult than attach the extension line to every other line in
the view... You know, I'm a very curious guy! (-;

Thanks.
M.