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I wish : There was a Chamfer & Fillet Annotation Tool

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Message 1 of 16
Anonymous
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I wish : There was a Chamfer & Fillet Annotation Tool

I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols, but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
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Message 2 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Yes, yes, yes! (please??)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913497@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it
was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with
a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it
would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols,
but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 3 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"John Ricketts" wrote in message
news:4913552@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yes, yes, yes! (please??)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913497@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it
was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with
a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it
would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols,
but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 4 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"John Ricketts" wrote in message
news:4913552@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yes, yes, yes! (please??)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913497@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it
was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with
a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it
would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols,
but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 5 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I'm back Andrew ... I've just been trying to find out if all of Zeus' Precision charts are online or not.

I must admit I was wondering that myself whilst my fingers were at the keyboard, but I remembered why I first requested it so long
ago.

R12,00 is a dimension so should be in line with the dim line.
Rad 12,00 FILLET is a note and should be horizontal or vertical off of a leader. I know it is possible to have two - or more -
different styles in a drawing, but that makes for bad practise - errors - and more clicks.

This might seem like splitting hairs, but I've got to think about communicating design intent to others.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?


[snip]
Message 6 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Andrew, I'm back ... yet again {g}

Just out of curiosity, will it recognised chamfers &/or fillets created in sketch mode ?

I ask because the Automated Centrelines for patterned objects only recognises patterned features, not a patterned sketch. By which I
mean, if you create a linear pattern in two directions of a hole centre in sketch mode it isn't recognised as a linear pattern and
therefore you have to put the centrelines in manually.

I know I should get into the habit of patterning features and not sketches, but legacy parts can't be re-drawn and automatically
centrelined.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"John Ricketts" wrote in message
news:4913552@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yes, yes, yes! (please??)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913497@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it
was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with
a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it
would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols,
but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 7 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Well, there are no immediate plans for a fillet note, but I can see your
point here. There are some long-range plans that may hit this, I'll have to
keep this in mind.

This begs another question: do you typically add any radius dimensions to
your drawings to anything OTHER than a fillet? If fillets represent your
only radius dimensions, there really wouldn't be any extra clicking involved
if you set up your object default style correctly. Just create a dimension
style flavored for fillet information, then assign that as your default
radius dimension in your object default style.

"Zeus' Precision charts"?
--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913646@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm back Andrew ... I've just been trying to find out if all of Zeus'
Precision charts are online or not.

I must admit I was wondering that myself whilst my fingers were at the
keyboard, but I remembered why I first requested it so long
ago.

R12,00 is a dimension so should be in line with the dim line.
Rad 12,00 FILLET is a note and should be horizontal or vertical off of a
leader. I know it is possible to have two - or more -
different styles in a drawing, but that makes for bad practise - errors -
and more clicks.

This might seem like splitting hairs, but I've got to think about
communicating design intent to others.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?


[snip]
Message 8 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I cannot comment too much here. I understand your concern, and all I can
tell you is (based on your comments) you should be satisfied with the
results. Sorry, you'll just have to wait and see :).

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913677@discussion.autodesk.com...
Andrew, I'm back ... yet again {g}

Just out of curiosity, will it recognised chamfers &/or fillets created in
sketch mode ?

I ask because the Automated Centrelines for patterned objects only
recognises patterned features, not a patterned sketch. By which I
mean, if you create a linear pattern in two directions of a hole centre in
sketch mode it isn't recognised as a linear pattern and
therefore you have to put the centrelines in manually.

I know I should get into the habit of patterning features and not sketches,
but legacy parts can't be re-drawn and automatically
centrelined.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs




"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"John Ricketts" wrote in message
news:4913552@discussion.autodesk.com...
Yes, yes, yes! (please??)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913497@discussion.autodesk.com...
I've wished for this before - many moons ago, about Inv7 - so I thought it
was about time it was mentioned again.

It would make life a lot easier to get "2,00x45ยบ CHAM" off of a leader with
a couple of clicks rather than dimensioning, adding
text, remembering Alt+0186 etc. If the annotation tool was done properly it
would also know the difference between the above an
"2,00x5,00 CHAM" etc. And a Fillet annotation tool would make a difference.

Whilst I'm mentioning abbreviations, I know the Inv text tool has symbols,
but it would be useful if it also included abbreviations,
such as AF, CRS, EQUI SP, PCD, NTS, RAD, DIA and most importantly TYP.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 9 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

And could the fillet annotation tool recognize quantities as the hole
annotation does?
--
Sam (AIS9 SP2)

"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913646@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm back Andrew ... I've just been trying to find out if all of Zeus'
Precision charts are online or not.

I must admit I was wondering that myself whilst my fingers were at the
keyboard, but I remembered why I first requested it so long
ago.

R12,00 is a dimension so should be in line with the dim line.
Rad 12,00 FILLET is a note and should be horizontal or vertical off of a
leader. I know it is possible to have two - or more -
different styles in a drawing, but that makes for bad practise - errors -
and more clicks.

This might seem like splitting hairs, but I've got to think about
communicating design intent to others.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?


[snip]
Message 10 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

By heck Andrew, ya asking some taxing questions.

I'm at home at the moment and on Win98, so I can't knock something up to show
you. But image three sides of a square. The fourth side consists of an arc,
cantered at the centre of the middle line.

Now put a little fillet in at each corner- say rad~thickness - and all the
same. I'll do this to take the sharp corner of a lasered profile to help stop
claims against us.

The arc would be dimensioned as R120,00 for example
One of the fillets would be dimensioned as Rad 6,00 FILLET TYP for example

I'll send you something tomorrow morning (BST) [a common oxymoron] that'll help
explain. I try to knock sharp corners off profiles etc. When they're done in the
w/shop they usually whiz an ankle grinder over the corners.


Zeus produce charts of British & ISO Standards for threads, limits and fits etc.
They're most famous for producing a pocket sized booklet of all this data
combined. It is often used in w/shops etc.

Google it and you'll find they're priced about GBP5.00 - once upon a time they
were free. If I can get hold of another one for free I'll pass it onto Asif
Mogul or Neil Dunsmuir - they can post it to you - at the next UK AU - which
sounds like it could be very interesting {G}

Duncan
@home


"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913857@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well, there are no immediate plans for a fillet note, but I can see your
point here. There are some long-range plans that may hit this, I'll have to
keep this in mind.

This begs another question: do you typically add any radius dimensions to
your drawings to anything OTHER than a fillet? If fillets represent your
only radius dimensions, there really wouldn't be any extra clicking involved
if you set up your object default style correctly. Just create a dimension
style flavored for fillet information, then assign that as your default
radius dimension in your object default style.

"Zeus' Precision charts"?
--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk


"Duncan Anderson" wrote in
message news:4913646@discussion.autodesk.com...
I'm back Andrew ... I've just been trying to find out if all of Zeus'
Precision charts are online or not.

I must admit I was wondering that myself whilst my fingers were at the
keyboard, but I remembered why I first requested it so long
ago.

R12,00 is a dimension so should be in line with the dim line.
Rad 12,00 FILLET is a note and should be horizontal or vertical off of a
leader. I know it is possible to have two - or more -
different styles in a drawing, but that makes for bad practise - errors -
and more clicks.

This might seem like splitting hairs, but I've got to think about
communicating design intent to others.


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and
proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs



"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913584@discussion.autodesk.com...
Sorry, to clarify, that last question I posed was in reaction to Duncan's
fillet annotation request in his original post.

--
Andrew Faix
Product Designer - Inventor Drawing Manager
Autodesk

"Andrew Faix (Autodesk)" wrote in message
news:4913582@discussion.autodesk.com...
Working on both of those requests. Hopefully, you'll be able to enjoy some
of these new features in a release near you.

Out of curiosity, what does a general radius dimension with a prefix or
suffix defined in the dim style not do for you (that question is for
Duncan)?


[snip]
Message 11 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Sam Bixler writes:

> And could the fillet annotation tool recognize quantities as the hole
> annotation does?

How about having an annotation tool that is smart enough to know that
it is annotating a hole or a chamfer or a fillet or a weld or ...?

Matthias
Message 12 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"Duncan Anderson"
wrote in message news:4914255@discussion.autodesk.com...

> usually whiz an ankle grinder over the corners.


only when working in feet and inches
Message 13 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

LOL


--
Duncan
"Humour ... is one man shouting gibberish in the face of authority, and proving by fabricated insanity that nothing could be as mad
as what passes for ordinary living."
(Terence 'Spike' Milligan K.B.E., 1918-2002)
www.autodesk.co.uk/inventorjobs
Message 14 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Andrew,

I typically use a general radius dim for fillets and then add a "TYP" to the dim text if applicable. The one problem that I have with using the radius dim is trying to place it on an inside fillet. it appears that if the fillet is small IV will swing an extension arc out on me to attach the leader to (see attached). I then resort to using a leader.

I agree that a chamfer dim would be nice and also the ability to have at least TYP as a drop down note add in. As far as note add ins go, may be giving use a limited amount of "user definable" note add ins in the text editor would satisfy more people.
Message 15 of 16
hallstevenson
in reply to: Anonymous

Yeah, when IV first did that to me I didn't like it.... It's certainly not what anyone would do by hand, is it ?? In the end though, you really can't change it and besides not being what people are *used* to, it's still understandable.
Message 16 of 16
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

tahdesign <> writes:

> I typically use a general radius dim for fillets and then add a "TYP"
> to the dim text if applicable. The one problem that I have with using
> the radius dim is trying to place it on an inside fillet. it appears
> that if the fillet is small IV will swing an extension arc out on me
> to attach the leader to (see attached). I then resort to using a
> leader.

So far I was always able to drag the radius dim across the center of
the arc and swing it around to get rid of the extension line. You
might have to zoom in for that to make sure you drage it across the
arc and not around it.

Matthias

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