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I am creating a machine which is attached and I wanted to put these three pieces together and weld them together so they are one piece. I need the two arcs on either side of the nearly fully enclosed semi-circle. I actually don't even know how to move any objects that are already placed somewhere. Any ideas? Thanks!
I cannot agree enough! I have 30 users at my company and probably 20 of them have had no drafting training. I'm not talking specific software training, anyone can learn how to make a computer program draw lines. I mean drafting fundamentals. With the position of drafter being absorbed by the engineers they need to have some training in how to produce a drawing that follows standards and is legible to someone other than themselves. The reason that we used to have drafters is because the engineers were too busy to put the time into producing drawings, now they have tools that make it easy for them to do it themselves but no training in how to do it. If this trend continues, engineering students are going to have to either take more classes in order to include drafting or the drafting classes are going to have to replace some of the other requirements. Otherwise, soon you wont be able to find someone with the expertise to repair the damage caused by engineers who don't know how to explain their design to someone else.
I have seen a lot of change in the design software over the last 5 years. I'm not so sure that "higher level engineering" needs to be a separate effort. I have been on sabbatical this semester looking at what Inventor (and other programs) can do with respect to classical engineering curriculum. I have been writing lab tutorials based on the Design Accelerators, Dynamic Simulation, and FEA and I don't see what of the classical engineering is missing. Just go to any of the Design Accelerators and click on the Calculations tab or check out the equations in CC. And dare I say this stuff is FUN...
I think it is time for a revolution in how this stuff is taught.
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The argument I can see against that is that you are not learning the fundamentals of why the program does what it does. Many engineers I know are pride themselves on knowing how to do that stuff by hand and wouldn't consider someone just knows how to make the computer give them the answer to be knowledgeable.
That being said, I agree with you. Just playing devil's advocate...
The equations are all accesible in the software. It is all in how the information is presented.
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While Functional Design is a great tool for capturing design intent and
automatically creating geometrically correct parts, there is no wizard for
creating work planes and other work features, correctly dimensioning
drawings, assembling parts (the topic of this thread) or any other of the
mundane tasks that users need to learn in order to become an expert
designer.
University professors and instructors (I used to be one) normally consider
learning a CAD package to be something similar to learning how to create a
Word document. Not enough attention is paid in the current engineering
curriculum at major universities to the need to properly learn how to
communicate design intent, or to learn to work with other people on a design
team. Most engineering curriculum avoids "people courses" and focuses more
on the mathematics. Of course, I'm one of the old guys from the 60s who had
to learn how to use a slide rule and do calculations and equations on paper.
Today, computers and calculators have eliminated much of the mathematics
background and knowledge that was required back when we did not have
computers to do much of that work for us. It's time for universities to
revisit the engineering curriculum, and to add more communication skills
(and CAD skills) to their course lists. Just take a look at how poorly the
engineering schools in the United States are doing in attracting new
students to the field. The lack of well-trained engineers in the United
States has become a catastrophe for our manufacturing base here.
Most other countries (Third World countries) have overtaken us in
engineering knowledge, and the only way to stem the tide of the export of
jobs in the United States and other "developed countries", is to place less
emphasis on the theory of doing things, and place more emphasis on how to do
things.
It's time for all educators in this country from kindergarten to
postgraduate schools, to lose the lofty ideals that they love so much, and
start teaching our young people how to actually do work.
I understand that this is my opinion, and I'll take the heat for that, but I
really feel that that is the core problem that we face in the United States
today.
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Dennis Jeffrey, AICE, MICE
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Inventor 11 Professional SP2
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http://www.design-excellence.com wrote in message news:5542938@discussion.autodesk.com...
>you are not learning the fundamental
The equations are all accesible in the software. It is all in how the
information is presented.
Yes and at the head of the line that is planning to lynch me will be some of
the engineers that I've worked with that have been forcibly retired.... 🙂
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Dennis Jeffrey, AICE, MICE
260-312-6188
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
Inventor 11 Professional SP2
HP Pavillion Zv5000 (Modified)
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185, 2GB RAM
XP Pro SP2, Windows Classic Theme
http://www.design-excellence.com wrote in message news:5543301@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dennis,
Well said, but you try giving that speech in the Eng-Tips forum and I think
they will start forming the lynch mob...
On the other hand, where do I find the engineering tips forum? Maybe I
could shake some things up there, just a bit.
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Dennis Jeffrey, AICE, MICE
260-312-6188
Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr.
Inventor 11 Professional SP2
HP Pavillion Zv5000 (Modified)
Geforce Go 440, Driver: .8185, 2GB RAM
XP Pro SP2, Windows Classic Theme
http://www.design-excellence.com wrote in message news:5543301@discussion.autodesk.com...
Dennis,
Well said, but you try giving that speech in the Eng-Tips forum and I think
they will start forming the lynch mob...
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