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Message 1 of 19
Anonymous
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Heard of Inventor?

First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you need
to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years (so
he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor? Nothing,
Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
reason this struck a cord.

--
Keith Bradford
CAD Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313
www.scsfrigette.com
(Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
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Message 2 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Keith,
I've heard this many times when speaking about MDT.
Not many poeple out there, be it managers or users, do a random look over
the fence. I found poeple here in this NG to be the only that are open in
mind and like to risk a look at other packages.

PS: IV6 users tend to need this

Regards,
--
Leo Laimer
Maschinen- und Fertigungstechnik
A-4820 Bad Ischl - Austria


"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
need
> to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
> just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
(so
> he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
Nothing,
> Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
> reason this struck a cord.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
>
>
Message 3 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I have spent countless hours trying to convince Engineers, Designers and
Machinists that I WORK WITH that Inventor is not AutoCAD, Inventor is not an
add-on for AutoCAD, Inventor is not a new AutoCAD, Inventor isn't an AutoCAD
upgrade. I have to explain over and over again that AutoCAD and Inventor
can't share files associatively. There are only 2 Inventor users out of 8
designers here. So everything has to be saved back to AutoCAD - a tedious
process at best, not to mention having duplicate files of everything. I
feel your pain.
--
Cory McConnell
BJ pipeline Inspection
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
need
> to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
> just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
(so
> he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
Nothing,
> Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
> reason this struck a cord.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
>
>
Message 4 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I am continually amazed that people who are versed in CAD (and even 3D CAD)
reply with similar responses when I mention Inventor. I could name on in
particular but it would definitely get me into hot water with the new
company

--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
remove all #s from email
-----------------------------------------
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
need
> to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
> just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
(so
> he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
Nothing,
> Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
> reason this struck a cord.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
>
>
Message 5 of 19
jmartzig
in reply to: Anonymous

i run into this from time to time also keith. not to bash the guy, but has he (and all the people i run into also) been living under a rock. i use autodesk products only, but i know the whereabouts of alot of the others also. -Joe
Message 6 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I could understand an individual not having ever heard of IV, but I've noticed
a similar lack of presence in job postings (monster.com, etc.) as well. Time
and a good product [can / will] change all that. For now I think we
constitute a minority 8~)

Jeff
====================


"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session......
Message 7 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thanks all.  This is about what I
figured.  I guess I was trying to... I do not know...Give a gentle slap on
the side of the head of Marketing.  Maybe a wake up call is a nicer way to
say it.   <G>


--
Keith Bradford
CAD
Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313

href="http://www.scsfrigette.com">www.scsfrigette.com

(Remove All Numbers
From E-mail)


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run
into this from time to time also keith. not to bash the guy, but has he (and
all the people i run into also) been living under a rock. i use autodesk
products only, but i know the whereabouts of alot of the others also.
-Joe
Message 8 of 19
Gstalker
in reply to: Anonymous

I know some guys who *had* heard of inventor, even bought a few copies to use in their design department. (They already used AutoCad to do most of their stuff.) None of their designers/engineers ever got around to using Inventor. I don't know why, maybe they didn't think it was worth the effort, maybe they do live under rocks. A thing I do know is, that they don't have a design department any more. They send some (most) of the work that used to get done there, here, where we do use Inventor. There may be no connection between the two, but....
Message 9 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Jeff,

That is interesting you mentioned the job market. I too have found LITTLE
need for IV users. I am banking that it will not always be that way, but
for know it is curious. I guess the positive way to look at it is that IV
users are SO valuable that companies that have knowledgeable user will not
let them go.

--
Keith Bradford
CAD Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313
www.scsfrigette.com
(Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
"Jeff Howard" wrote in message
news:D7D2BA3425446006BF6E7E8CD3389F6E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I could understand an individual not having ever heard of IV, but I've
noticed
> a similar lack of presence in job postings (monster.com, etc.) as well.
Time
> and a good product [can / will] change all that. For now I think we
> constitute a minority 8~)
>
> Jeff
> ====================
>
>
> "Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
> news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session......
>
>
Message 10 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Dang, that grammer be horrible.

--
Keith Bradford
CAD Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313
www.scsfrigette.com
(Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:920EFEB5BADC7D07C82ADA244A50D8FC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jeff,
>
> That is interesting you mentioned the job market. I too have found LITTLE
> need for IV users. I am banking that it will not always be that way, but
> for know it is curious. I guess the positive way to look at it is that
IV
> users are SO valuable that companies that have knowledgeable user will not
> let them go.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
> "Jeff Howard" wrote in message
> news:D7D2BA3425446006BF6E7E8CD3389F6E@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > I could understand an individual not having ever heard of IV, but I've
> noticed
> > a similar lack of presence in job postings (monster.com, etc.) as well.
> Time
> > and a good product [can / will] change all that. For now I think we
> > constitute a minority 8~)
> >
> > Jeff
> > ====================
> >
> >
> > "Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
> > news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session......
> >
> >
>
>
Message 11 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Thas ok. It compliments my spelling 8~)

"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:93FCAFAB24DA1564990099D246171A36@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
Dang, that grammer be horrible.
Message 12 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

"I guess the positive way to look at it is that IV users are SO valuable
that companies that have knowledgeable user will not let them go."

I'm still waiting for that day.. Just need to get rid of a few competing
PROfessional Engineering packages first...
--
Sean Dotson, PE
http://www.sdotson.com
remove all #s from email
-----------------------------------------
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:920EFEB5BADC7D07C82ADA244A50D8FC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jeff,
>
> That is interesting you mentioned the job market. I too have found LITTLE
> need for IV users. I am banking that it will not always be that way, but
> for know it is curious. I guess the positive way to look at it is that
IV
> users are SO valuable that companies that have knowledgeable user will not
> let them go.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
Message 13 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Inventor who?
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
need
> to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
> just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
(so
> he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
Nothing,
> Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
> reason this struck a cord.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
>
>
Message 14 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Your not griping are you (vbg)...

 

Dave


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Thanks all.  This is about what I
figured.  I guess I was trying to... I do not know...Give a gentle slap
on the side of the head of Marketing.  Maybe a wake up call is a nicer
way to say it.   <G>


--
Keith Bradford
CAD
Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313

href="http://www.scsfrigette.com">www.scsfrigette.com

(Remove All
Numbers From E-mail)


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run
into this from time to time also keith. not to bash the guy, but has he (and
all the people i run into also) been living under a rock. i use autodesk
products only, but i know the whereabouts of alot of the others also.
-Joe
Message 15 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Not at all....just suggesting a change in
procedure.  This same individual obviously has heard of SW....my question,
why not IV?


--
Keith Bradford
CAD
Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313

href="http://www.scsfrigette.com">www.scsfrigette.com

(Remove All Numbers
From E-mail)


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Your not griping are you (vbg)...

 

Dave


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">

Thanks all.  This is about what I
figured.  I guess I was trying to... I do not know...Give a gentle slap
on the side of the head of Marketing.  Maybe a wake up call is a nicer
way to say it.   <G>


--
Keith Bradford
CAD
Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313

href="http://www.scsfrigette.com">www.scsfrigette.com

(Remove All
Numbers From E-mail)


style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
run
into this from time to time also keith. not to bash the guy, but has he
(and all the people i run into also) been living under a rock. i use
autodesk products only, but i know the whereabouts of alot of the others
also. -Joe
Message 16 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

And now to open up the can of worms -

(IMHO)
With the release of IV6 (whenever the SP gets it to function properly),
Inventor will become a serious contender. Until now, it's been a better 3D
modeling tool than AutoCAD, but not up to par with the other true 3D design
packages out there. Sorry, but it was not what I would consider a full,
self contained package. I had to go back to AutoCAD to create
silk-screening, overlays and labels, not able to be shown on the solid
assembly. All kinds of tricks and workarounds were required to get the
labeling into a 3D environment. Now, IV6 (once SP1 arrives) will eliminate
this need. I came this close (he holds up his hand with the thumb and index
finger a half centimeter apart) to switching over to SW! Now, IV6 has given
me hope!! Perhaps now, Inventor will finally become a real, big league
player, and nobody will have to ask "Inventor who?"
(and perhaps job opportunities will begin to appear for IV operators)


--
Mark Triton
E/M Packaging Designer
World Precision Instruments, Inc.
Sarasota, FL
Message 17 of 19
rebcal_ale
in reply to: Anonymous

There are so many Solid modelers (many are decent) out there these days, I bet you would not be able to name them all. It is difficult to keep up. There are many engineers who just do not pay attention to the MCAD industry. They focus solely on their own tools they probably have used for years and have no interest in anything else. While I know this doesn't apply to the person you are dealing with, you might also be surprised by how many engineers simply choose not to, or are incapable of using solid modelers of other MCAD tools.
Message 18 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I think a lot of people are just 'users' of a particular product. They come
to work, do their job and go home. Some don't even have a computer at home
to play with. These people do not live outside of the box. They use what
software that is provided and that is all. They don't care to experiment
with other software and may not even have a say as to what software they
use. Then there are others that are constantly looking for a better,
faster, easier way to do the job. Just my observations, Jerry.....
"Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
need
> to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious. I
> just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
(so
> he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
Nothing,
> Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for some
> reason this struck a cord.
>
> --
> Keith Bradford
> CAD Director
> SCS/Frigette
> 817.293.5313
> www.scsfrigette.com
> (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
>
>
Message 19 of 19
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

true

--
Keith Bradford
CAD Director
SCS/Frigette
817.293.5313
www.scsfrigette.com
(Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
"Jerry B....." wrote in message
news:1F78A56CD362D947D25A00AB9CF0C043@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I think a lot of people are just 'users' of a particular product. They
come
> to work, do their job and go home. Some don't even have a computer at
home
> to play with. These people do not live outside of the box. They use what
> software that is provided and that is all. They don't care to experiment
> with other software and may not even have a say as to what software they
> use. Then there are others that are constantly looking for a better,
> faster, easier way to do the job. Just my observations, Jerry.....
> "Keith_Bradford" <7kbradford7@7scsfrigette7.com> wrote in message
> news:942F670FCF0FEC39C8401ADB04EF6EA3@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > First of all this post is not for a complaint or gripe session. If you
> need
> > to vent or complain start a different post, please. I am just curious.
I
> > just got off the phone with a vendor that is supplying me with 3-D data.
> > They use a High-End competitors product, which he has used for 14 years
> (so
> > he is not totally ignorant of the industry). During our conversation
> > regarding our file format needs. He asked me if we were using SW. I
> > informed him that we used Inventor which prompted him to ask, "what is
> > that?" As I started to explain to him he said, "oh you use Autocad", to
> > which I began to explain the differences. Now to my question/curiosity,
> > How can a 3-D software user of 14+ years not know about Inventor?
> Nothing,
> > Nadda, Zilch? Please let me reiterate, THIS IS NOT A BASH, but for
some
> > reason this struck a cord.
> >
> > --
> > Keith Bradford
> > CAD Director
> > SCS/Frigette
> > 817.293.5313
> > www.scsfrigette.com
> > (Remove All Numbers From E-mail)
> >
> >
>
>

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