Good on but not able to reproduce

[jiml]

On only on machine if you do a save copy as lets say take 123.ipt save as 234.ipt. Go find 234.ipt open, the browser name is 123.ipt and the name of the open file at the top is 123.ipt open properties > project part name is 234. So what then if even a simple save as don't work. This is the work around open 234.ipt in the browser rename file that says its a 123 change to 234 save, close, open its fine. That (edited) if a simple save as don't work.

[Anonymous]

Jim,
Your thread title (...not able to reproduce) and your examples (On only on(e)
machine) leads me to believe it is not a software issue. The software (any
software) does not change from one second to the other, or one computer to the
other. Most problems that are related directly to bad software are reproducible.
But your computer does change from second to second, even though you may not
realize it. (It could be related to the network, background processes, etc.) So
always blaming problems on the software is not productive. Also, you stated to
Larry Caldwell, "did any one see me ask for help no I was just letting them
know". Then why post it at all on this site? This site is dedicated to finding
help for problems you are having. As it is, we are unable to reproduce the
problem and therefore can not help. You also stated that Inventor is the problem
("Getting Inventor to do what they praise about would be nice") But seeing how
this only occurs on one machine, why do you think it's Inventor's fault?

--
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Automation Designer
www.autoconcorp.com

[Anonymous]

To add...

We want to help you be more productive with Inventor because it is obvious you
are having major problems with what most people here see as good (if not
complete) software. We do not think you are dumb, but if there is a known cure
for a problem, that will be the first thing suggested (like making sure drivers
are updated and such)

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Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer
www.autoconcorp.com



"Dave Jacquemotte" wrote in message
news:78A189EEC3A59A59DC0449FC9DA1DD06@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Jim,
> Your thread title (...not able to reproduce) and your examples (On only on(e)
> machine) leads me to believe it is not a software issue. The software (any
> software) does not change from one second to the other, or one computer to the
> other. Most problems that are related directly to bad software are
reproducible.
> But your computer does change from second to second, even though you may not
> realize it. (It could be related to the network, background processes, etc.)
So
> always blaming problems on the software is not productive. Also, you stated to
> Larry Caldwell, "did any one see me ask for help no I was just letting them
> know". Then why post it at all on this site? This site is dedicated to finding
> help for problems you are having. As it is, we are unable to reproduce the
> problem and therefore can not help. You also stated that Inventor is the
problem
> ("Getting Inventor to do what they praise about would be nice") But seeing how
> this only occurs on one machine, why do you think it's Inventor's fault?
>
> --
> Dave Jacquemotte
> Automation Designer
> www.autoconcorp.com
>
>
>
> "jiml" wrote in message news:f173757.-1@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > On only on machine if you do a save copy as lets say take 123.ipt save as
> 234.ipt. Go find 234.ipt open, the browser name is 123.ipt and the name of the
> open file at the top is 123.ipt open properties > project part name is 234. So
> what then if even a simple save as don't work. This is the work around open
> 234.ipt in the browser rename file that says its a 123 change to 234 save,
> close, open its fine. That sucks if a simple save as don't work.
>
>

[jiml]

Well dave I have to disagree for one crashing is not a big thing I don't get 8 crashes a day heck I can go a month with no problems but you cannot tell me its not software for one thing any software anyone can load and go is a software issue. Not every one out there can set a machine up for Inventor. Do you have to do alot of things reg. settings video settings just to do microsoft word. Or a game at that. Idw not updating is the not a Inventor software problem, yes it is. how about bring in a view save close next day open and that part was replaced with some other part is that not Inventor. Or how about, I can go on and on about this but why are they going to fix it they might they might not. Why do you think they don't make this for Mac computers? Because the software has to be prefect. Why are there sp if the software is good? And by the way if no one has problems with the software why are there so many post in here alot are not help how do I do this alot are complates.

[jiml]

PS why when I use da the browser name don't change must be software no its hardware what about that one.

[jiml]

PS2 crashing I can live with but software not doing what it should be doing is that not software. and I think there are a lot of post with that in mind.

[Anonymous]

First, this: "I don't get 8 crashes a day" does not agree with "Crash: 8 Times
Today".

Second, you did not explain why if there is a browser rename issue with 1 out of
X number of machines, you think it is the software. You asked, "why when I use
da the browser name don't change" To be honest, I can not answer you any further
until you explain the above question. I have not had any problems of this type,
ever. Except when a) I have renamed a part, or b) using iParts. I understand the
steps you are taking in producing this problem and have taken the exact same
steps as you have explained. I did not get the same non-rename problem. I have
even tested it under different modes (semi-iso, shared) to see if that was the
issue.

Third, "Not every one out there can set a machine up for Inventor" True. But
Inventor is miles better then the way it used to be. I guess you don't remember
the first days of 3d Modeling when the system would cost over $100,000 and only
run on UNIX, and therefore could only be bought by the biggest companies.You
said, "Or a game at that" I can not stress enough stress how much more
complicated 3d modeling is then games. Why do you think the video cards for 3d
modeling cost so much more than 3d games? Why do Modeling systems have to be
better then gaming systems? 3d games are just pictures, basically. 3d models are
intelligent, math-heavy objects with complicated properties and
cross-associations. To even compare 3d modeling software (especially at the
price AD is asking) shows how much you do not fully comprehend the complexities.
No, I'm not saying you are dumb, but at least admit there is more going on then
you understand.

Forth," if no one has problems with the software why are there so many post in
here"? I imagine it is because no one posts if they are NOT having a problem.
Otherwise, you'd get hundreds of posts that basically say "Wow, this software is
great". That would be a waste of time and space, considering this forum is for
people with PROBLEMS. Considering the actual number of seats Autodesk has sold
of IV (they are #1 in seats sold), and the relative few actual software issues
posted here, I would say they are doing fairly well.


--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer
www.autoconcorp.com



"jiml" wrote in message news:f173757.50@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> PS2 crashing I can live with but software not doing what it should be doing is
that not software. and I think there are a lot of post with that in mind.

[jiml]

They are not #1 sold they have more seats because they did the Inventor series and those who had MDT got Inventor. I worked for a reseller at that time that is how I know this to be true. crashes are total of all the machines not just mine I get 1 if I push Inventor. Plus my assemblies are from 1000pc to the one I have the most problems 15,595 pc. As for the browser not changing name after DA has been a problem since 5.3, that is when all those nice users made the icode to rename them. You got lucky if you did not have this but most of the users do. why did you not say any thing about the IDW not updating?

[Anonymous]

1) Wait, wait, wait....you just said "As for the browser not changing name after
DA". When did you bring DA into it?

2) I did not address the other issues you brought up because I have not seen
those problems on my system. How can I comment on something I have not seen? I
would be lying if I had any opinion at all about those.

More later....I have to finish a project right now.

--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer
www.autoconcorp.com



"jiml" wrote in message news:f173757.52@WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> They are not #1 sold they have more seats because they did the Inventor series
and those who had MDT got Inventor. I worked for a reseller at that time that is
how I know this to be true. crashes are total of all the machines not just mine
I get 1 if I push Inventor. Plus my assemblies are from 1000pc to the one I have
the most problems 15,595 pc. As for the browser not changing name after DA has
been a problem since 5.3, that is when all those nice users made the icode to
rename them. You got lucky if you did not have this but most of the users do.
why did you not say any thing about the IDW not updating?

[jiml]

it was in the ps section.

[Belgarion]

Jim

I fully empathise with some of your problems with IV. I have some issues myself. They have put together a remarkably good working piece of 3d parametric software in a relatively short period of trme. I totally agree with the afore mentioned statement that the software is good if not complete.

Consider that ProE has been activly selling seats sinne the mid 90's, and I believe that Solidworks has been there almost as long. They had a very large head start in this market place, and realistically Autodesk is playing catch-up.

I also get the impression that you never worked on early versions of AutoCAD, like release 2.52 (before mirror, undo, array, to name a few commands). Try doing a regen on a file of maybe 200K, and getting a cup of coffee from the pot and getting back to your seat before the regen finishes (80286 cpu with math co-processor, 1meg of ram, and a 256k of video memory). This was the CURRENT TECHNOLOGY of that time. Customer support was not anywhere close to what you have today, like this posting board to get the help solving issues.

As for your immediate problem, I also have not been able to recreate the problem, provided I understood your gramatically challenged description. For reference, I have tried to reporduce this error on three machines. Machine 1 is an AMD Athalon 1.4 gig cpu, 512 meg ddr ram, Oxyen VX1 32 meg video, running NT4.0 sp6a, Machine 2 same hardware running Win2K, lates sp's, and my home machine, AMD Athalon 600meg slot A cpu, 768 meg PC133 ram, Gilemont Xentor 32meg video running NT4.0 sp6a. Either I am missing something in your description, or you have inadvertently left some pertinent information out.

[Anonymous]

Against my better judgement, I've decided to reply to this thread one
more time.

This is reproducable here. I've performed some experiments with fresh
.ipt's and by renaming the browser part name field manually it will
always stick with that name untill it is manually changed again. Even if
I start a new .ipt using the 'modified' one as a seed file from the
template directory, *the previously renamed browser name field is stuck
at what it was renamed to in the seed file*.

This seems to indicate a user intervention sometime in the history of
Jim's template or whatever file was used to "seed" the subsequent
saveas'd file.

-How to fix the problem:

1. Start with a fresh template .ipt file. That is to say- start from
scratch and save the file with the desired name. Once the part is saved
once with the intended file name, the browser name field updates
automatically. Don't manually modify the browser part name field. Close
that file.

2. If you're doing a saveas, simply save the part file to the desired
file name and close the file. Don't manually modify the browser part
name field in the browser. Open the new target file. The browser name
field updates automatically upon open of the target file.

3. If this is going to be a frequently used template, copy it to the
template directory and start your new file using it instead of doing a
saveas. Don't manually modify the browser part name field in the
browser. Save it with the filename you want to name this file to. The
browser name field updates automatically.

4. If you don't like the answer, try to refrain from attacking those who
are trying to help.

5. For our sake, please read the posts of others and observe how they
use punctuation and capitalization. Maybe try throwing in a line return
or two to emphasize a point or to indicate a change in thought.

Good luck,

-JG.






jiml wrote:

> On only on machine if you do a save copy as lets say take 123.ipt save
> as 234.ipt. Go find 234.ipt open, the browser name is 123.ipt and the
> name of the open file at the top is 123.ipt open properties > project
> part name is 234. So what then if even a simple save as don't work.
> This is the work around open 234.ipt in the browser rename file that
> says its a 123 change to 234 save, close, open its fine. That (edited)
> if a simple save as don't work.

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[Anonymous]

I am glad to see that Jiml's problem can be reproduced!
We are back on track........hooray!
I don't rename the browser name on purpose, now I see that's the way to do
it.
Is there any way to copy the contents of the rogue file/s to a fresh IPT?

Ah...........open rogue part
Open new IPT
Windows Arrange all
Drag all features into new IPT
Never done this before.......redefine features to origin etc
Rename browser features excluding part name of course
Set properties
Save new IPT with desired name.

--
Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---


"Jon Genova" wrote in message
news:3F03D498.26F783D4@colorado.edu...
> Against my better judgement, I've decided to reply to this thread one
> more time.
>
> This is reproducable here. I've performed some experiments with fresh
> .ipt's and by renaming the browser part name field manually it will
> always stick with that name untill it is manually changed again. Even if
> I start a new .ipt using the 'modified' one as a seed file from the
> template directory, *the previously renamed browser name field is stuck
> at what it was renamed to in the seed file*.
>
> This seems to indicate a user intervention sometime in the history of
> Jim's template or whatever file was used to "seed" the subsequent
> saveas'd file.

[Anonymous]

No one ever said they could not reproduce the problem if they rename the browser
part. But Jim was very specific in saying he NEVER changed the browser name. And
since that would be reproducible, and his problem isn't, this does not address
his current problem.

--
Dave Jacquemotte
Automation Designer
www.autoconcorp.com



"Laurence Yeandle" wrote in
message news:7CCE7F1132BB3808F8BF9A96D1653D18@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I am glad to see that Jiml's problem can be reproduced!
> We are back on track........hooray!
> I don't rename the browser name on purpose, now I see that's the way to do
> it.
> Is there any way to copy the contents of the rogue file/s to a fresh IPT?
>
> Ah...........open rogue part
> Open new IPT
> Windows Arrange all
> Drag all features into new IPT
> Never done this before.......redefine features to origin etc
> Rename browser features excluding part name of course
> Set properties
> Save new IPT with desired name.
>
> --
> Laurence,
>
> Power is nothing without Control
> ---
>
>
> "Jon Genova" wrote in message
> news:3F03D498.26F783D4@colorado.edu...
> > Against my better judgement, I've decided to reply to this thread one
> > more time.
> >
> > This is reproducable here. I've performed some experiments with fresh
> > .ipt's and by renaming the browser part name field manually it will
> > always stick with that name untill it is manually changed again. Even if
> > I start a new .ipt using the 'modified' one as a seed file from the
> > template directory, *the previously renamed browser name field is stuck
> > at what it was renamed to in the seed file*.
> >
> > This seems to indicate a user intervention sometime in the history of
> > Jim's template or whatever file was used to "seed" the subsequent
> > saveas'd file.
>
>

[Anonymous]

I give up..........for today anyway.

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Laurence,

Power is nothing without Control
---


"Dave Jacquemotte" wrote in message
news:2D46630C59088E1969795F046D5C6EAC@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> No one ever said they could not reproduce the problem if they rename the
browser
> part. But Jim was very specific in saying he NEVER changed the browser
name. And
> since that would be reproducible, and his problem isn't, this does not
address
> his current problem.

[rllthomas]

It is supposed to NOT UPDATE if you manually change the name in the browser. The developers figured if you wanted the browser name to match the part number then you won't be messing with it. If you want the browser name to be different than the part number then you get to mess with it and they won't. Makes perfect sense to me.

Rich Thomas

[jiml]

yes I know this too. But the file was never done in that way. and no one seems to hear me say that.

[rllthomas]

Do you use templates off the server, or does each machine have its own templates?

[jiml]

its own but its not a templete proplem and it is working for him now. But that one part that had problems. and I don't work off the network or even conected to one.